The National Research Council, if you look back about 25 years ago, was more focused on basic research as a component, and it was also able to work with industry at the same time as doing fundamental basic research. That organization now has been, to my mind, pushed too far into cost recovery. Realistically, an outfit such as the National Research Council cannot turn into a cost-recovery model.
There is a role for a government research institution to be able to do that basic research and work with industry without always looking for the recovery of funds, particularly with the SMEs. The technology they provided to us many years ago was virtually at no cost. It enabled us to get going, so that we created the business and the industry that we have today.