I would add that because it's a very competitive industry, there are many new materials that are being used in the production of material, such as different solvents. With different environmental laws, you need R and D to keep up with the new regulations. There's an awful lot of R and D in the materials themselves, whether they be glues, solvents, or paints. Help can be worthwhile in that case. We do work with various institutions in the province, such as FPInnovations—which is actually pan-Canadian—but there is never enough R and D.
On the office side, significant R and D goes into the design of new types of furniture. The office environment is probably changing more quickly than the residential as far as usage of space is concerned, with younger employees looking for different ways of working with IT within the office environment. There's a lot of R and D going into materials and new products on the office side.