Evidence of meeting #44 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was terms.

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MPs speaking

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Mitch Davies  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry
Mark Schaan  Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

8:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

I call the meeting to order.

Thank you, everybody, and welcome back. This is meeting number 44 of the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology. Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, December 9, 2016, we are studying Bill C-25, An Act to amend the Canada Business Corporations Act, the Canada Cooperatives Act, the Canada Not-for-profit Corporations Act, and the Competition Act.

Today, from the Department of Industry, we have Mitch Davies, assistant deputy minister, strategic policy sector, and Mark Schaan, director general, marketplace framework policy branch, strategic policy sector.

You have 10 minutes.

Go ahead, Mr. Davies.

8:55 a.m.

Mitch Davies Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Good morning, Mr. Chair and members of the committee. It's our pleasure to be here today with you to speak to Bill C-25.

Innovation, Science and Economic Development's core mandate is to help make the Canadian economy and industry more productive and competitive in a global economy, thus improving the economic and social well-being of Canadians. One of the critical ways in which we accomplish this is by ensuring that our framework legislation is up to date and in line with international best practices. Maintaining effective legislative frameworks for business is a critical endeavour, since these laws lay out the ground rules for doing business in Canada.

We're in constant review of the laws administered by our department, how they compare to other jurisdictions, and how they meet the expectations and needs of Canadians. The Canada Business Corporations Act, or CBCA, is an important piece of framework legislation that sets out basic rules for federal corporations. This law establishes the legal regulatory framework for close to 270,000 federally incorporated companies. Allowing for ease of doing business by providing for clear and predictable operating rules is critical, as our laws act as a foundation for innovation in a growing economy.

Governing the relationship between a corporation and its shareholders is one of the most critical elements of a sound business landscape, and that's why it's important to make sure that the CBCA continues to meet its policy objectives. To this end, the department embarked on a broad stakeholder consultation in 2014 to canvass the views of those most affected by the CBCA. We received over 80 submissions with a range of viewpoints on how best to proceed.

Some of these areas we will continue to look into, where thought is still developing and experience abroad is still fresh. Others bore a clearer consensus among the competing viewpoints. It is this set of issues that we have chosen to address by way of Bill C-25 before you today, in order to optimize Canada's corporate governance law to allow our businesses to thrive and innovate within as modern and responsive a framework as possible.

The items you find in Bill C-25 concern the way corporate directors are elected, how diversity is promoted in the business sector, and how corporations communicate with their shareholders. Certain of these changes will be reflected not only in the CBCA but in its companion statutes that deal with co-operatives and the not-for-profit corporations as well.

Other elements of this bill concern the clear and unambiguous prohibition of unregistered instruments that can be misused for criminal means and an update to how affiliated entities are treated under competition law. The changes being made here are informed by best practices from here in Canada and at the provincial level, as well as from our main trading partners abroad.

To get more specific, Bill C-25 makes a number of discrete but important updates to Canada's corporate and co-operative laws, which I'll highlight briefly here, and we'll happily field questions that you may have afterward.

The bill makes three important changes to the process by which directors are elected. First, it ensures that elections are held for all directors annually, which is an update from the current requirement under the CBCA that allows directors to serve up to three years at a time, with staggered terms.

Second, it ensures that directors are elected individually, rather than as part of an all-or-nothing slate of directors. This rule, as well as annual elections, would bring the CBCA in line with existing TSX rules.

Third, if the number of spots open on a board of directors is equal to the number of candidates presented—that is, it is an uncontested election—voters will now have the option to vote against a candidate, rather than simply withholding a vote, and that candidate will only assume the directorship if a majority of votes cast are in their favour. This will prevent the nearly automatic election of directors on the basis of even a small number of “for” votes.

Bill C-25 will also support efforts to increase diversity on corporate boards and in senior management by encouraging an exchange of information on corporate practices in this regard between a company and its shareholders. The bill will require publicly traded CBCA corporations or distributing corporations, as they're referred to in the act, to make disclosures on diversity on their boards and senior management, including the policies they have in place. If no such policies exist, boards will have to explain why to their shareholders. It's a system commonly referred to as comply or explain.

Furthermore, the bill will leverage modern digital technologies and reduce paper burden by allowing corporations to send a notice to shareholders that sets out instructions on how to obtain documents from the corporation's website in advance of a shareholder meeting.

While it's not believed that bearer shares or bearer share warrants—unregistered financial instruments whose proof is in their possession—are in common use in Canada, the bill would nevertheless clarify in very certain terms that these instruments are prohibited. Any remaining holders of bearer shares would have the opportunity to convert them into a registered form of share ownership.

Bearer instruments have been identified as vehicles for money laundering and terrorism financing. These amendments would enhance transparency and support Canada's compliance with international standards.

Finally, the bill would make a targeted but important change to the Competition Act to provide business certainty and reduce administrative burden. The rules for determining which business entities are affiliated with one another would be applied more broadly to take fully into account modern unincorporated structures, such as partnerships and trusts. This revision would increase certainty for businesses by ensuring that they would not be needlessly investigated or sanctioned under law for dealings with their own affiliates as though they were competitors, and also sparing the Competition Bureau from a needless investigation or merger review in these circumstances.

There are other minor amendments in the bill of a more administrative nature, including streamlining documents required to form a co-operative and harmonizing English and French versions of these laws, but the items I've mentioned are the key features.

I and my colleague would be pleased to provide clarification and answer questions on these points. Thank you for your time.

9 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Thank you very much.

We're going to go right into questions.

Mr. Arya, you have seven minutes.

9 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Davies, while drafting this bill I'm sure you had large, wide-ranging consultations. Did your guys talk to a diversity expert, an expert on diversity?

9 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

In the course of the consultations, starting in 2014, the department received views from various interests, including those particularly interested in enhancing diversity and enhancing representativeness in Canada's corporate sector, so that was within the consultation process. Of course, we also monitor very closely the positions of stakeholder groups and organizations in this regard—

9 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

So what does—

9 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

I think it's quite widely known that there's interest in seeing improvement in this regard.

9 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

What does diversity mean here?

9 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

In terms of the statute, the bill doesn't set out a specific definition. The purpose of this is really essentially to invite the corporate sector to consider this in its broadest possible terms and in its broadest possible context in respect of their operations.

9 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Thank you.

9 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

We'll see over time how they actually implement this through the disclosures they'll make to their shareholders.

9 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Thank you.

The minister's letter to the committee members states “One of Canada's strengths is its diversity. Women represent 48 percent of the workforce and over half of university graduates, yet remain under-represented...” and blah, blah, blah.

The minister's letter to the committee members basically talks about gender diversity. When you read the minister's letter, you see it just talks about gender diversity. Is that not the case?

9 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

Is it not the case that the letter that was provided to the committee by the minister...? Yes, certainly. I think the question that I was answering earlier was in respect of the law, and the definition of diversity is left essentially to practice, as it would unfold.

Certainly in terms of the regulatory steps that would follow the law and what would be prescribed in regulation, it would be most clearly pointed out, as we see now with the TSX standard that now requires gender diversity to be reported on, but we'd also be inviting corporations to take advantage of the opportunity to file plans and represent broader diversity concepts, which I think could extend to a number of other areas.

9 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

I'm sure you looked at the diversity laws in various countries, such as Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Norway, and Spain. All they mean is gender diversity only. How do you think ours is different?

When we read the text of the bill, for me it appears to be only gender diversity.

February 7th, 2017 / 9 a.m.

Mark Schaan Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Perhaps I can jump in here to indicate that in fact Bill C-25 actually goes an explicit step further.

Currently, under securities commissions' laws in eight of the securities commissions in the country, corporations on an annual basis already need to file the gender makeup of their board and the gender makeup of their senior management.

It's the explicit intent of the bill to go beyond that and ask companies to file their diversity policy and summarize it for their shareholders, facilitating a conversation between shareholders and the corporation. In fact, in the draft regulations, Corporations Canada has indicated that the policy actually specifically indicates a written policy relating to diversity other than gender amongst the directors and members of senior management.

It is actually explicit that it is in fact beyond gender, which would put us in a—

9 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Suppose I have a company and our board decides to come out with diversity support, saying that our understanding of diversity is geographical diversity. Ours is a pan-Canadian company. We need a diverse board. We need one board member from Atlantic Canada, one from Quebec, one from the territories, one from western Canada. We also need to have two women on the board. Is that diversity policy acceptable?

9 a.m.

Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

What the bill does is facilitate a conversation between shareholders and the corporation. The acceptability would be up to the shareholders. On an annual basis, they'd have the opportunity to make representations to their firm and to indicate whether this diversity policy was sufficient for their purposes.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

If it is acceptable to the shareholders, it is acceptable to the government too. Is that correct?

9:05 a.m.

Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

Our view is that shareholders are best placed to advocate within their organizations, and our minister has made it clear that should there be a lack of progress on diversity within the corporate structure—

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

When you say “lack of diversity”, what do you mean by that?

9:05 a.m.

Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

Well, it varies. As my colleague has indicated, diversity is a broad concept that includes gender, race, geography, class, age. I think each corporation will work with shareholders to determine what makes the most sense for them in their line of business.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Now in your intent, at least in the thought process, were indigenous people part of this diversity?

9:05 a.m.

Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

We would certainly hope that indigenous persons were one of the very elements that corporations would look to—

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

It would also include visible minorities, people with a physical disability?

9:05 a.m.

Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry