Evidence of meeting #53 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was statistics.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Anil Arora  Chief Statistician of Canada, Statistics Canada
Andrée Desaulniers  Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Thank you.

We're going to move to Mr. Baylis.

You have five minutes.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

My question is for you, Madam Desaulniers.

Finding a balance between the need to have solid data we can rely on and Canadians' right to privacy is always an issue.

Can you explain to us what Statistics Canada is doing to achieve that balance?

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Andrée Desaulniers Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

I assume you are talking about the census. Unless your question is about our data in general.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

I am talking about data in general, but especially the census. There were some issues related to that.

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

My role is to explain the legislation, so perhaps you have some questions about how the legislation works. I can explain the data from the past, if you like.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Yes. From what I understood, some changes were made.

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

Okay.

Until 2001, data was made public without Canadians' consent.

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

After how much time was the data made public?

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

After between 72 years and 100 years, approximately. I can get the figures for you if you want.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

How was the number of years determined?

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

The 72-year period predates Confederation. So we lack information on how the waiting period was determined at the time. Generally speaking, the number of years is set based on an individual's lifespan.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

So it had to do with an individual's lifespan.

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Voices

Interesting. That's good.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

The individual must be dead.

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

Yes, generally. That is why the period would not be 30 years.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Okay.

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

The chief statistician explained it well. Over the years, with changes in legislation, determining what the legislator's intent was became complicated, especially in the early 1900s.

Once an enumerator promised to keep the information confidential, it meant that the entity as a whole was required to maintain confidentiality.

Many years later, we find ourselves trying to figure it out. We were not there at the time. So it was decided that a mechanism, under the Privacy Act, would allow data to be made available after 92 years, without people's consent. In any case, the data was collected a long time ago.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

In what piece of legislation does the 92-year period appear?

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

It appears in the Privacy Act. Actually, it's in section 6 of the Privacy Regulations.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

The regulations indicate that we must wait 92 years.

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

Exactly.

That covered data that had not yet been made available. For example, the data from 1891 was made available in 1983, when the legislation was passed.

Do you like numbers?

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

You lost me a bit.

Can you please repeat?

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

Okay. When the Privacy Act was passed....

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Are you talking about the 1960 legislation?

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Senior Analyst, Information Management Division, Statistics Canada

Andrée Desaulniers

I'm talking about the act passed in 1983 whose regulations made it possible to make census data available after 92 years.

If you subtract 1891 from 1983, you get 92 years. We could make the data available when the act was passed, and that was done. As you know, the same figure is found in the Statistics Act.