Evidence of meeting #101 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was artificial.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Erica Ifill  Journalist and Founder of Podcast, Not In My Colour, As an Individual
Adrian Schauer  Founder and Chief Executive Officer, AlayaCare
Jérémie Harris  Co-Founder, Gladstone AI
Jennifer Quaid  Associate Professor and Vice-Dean Research, Civil Law Section, Faculty of Law, University of Ottawa, As an Individual
Céline Castets-Renard  Full Law Professor, Civil Law Faculty, University of Ottawa, As an Individual
Jean-François Gagné  AI Strategic Advisor, As an Individual
George E. Lafond  Strategic Development Advisor, As an Individual
Stephen Kukucha  Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies
Guy Ouimet  Engineer, Sustainable Development Technology Canada

December 5th, 2023 / 6:35 p.m.

Guy Ouimet Engineer, Sustainable Development Technology Canada

Thank you, Mr. Chair and thanks to the committee members for welcoming me today.

My name is Guy Ouimet, I am originally from Montreal and still live there. I am an industrial engineer graduated from the École Polytechnique of the University of Montreal. I hold an MBA from McGill University and am certified by the Institute of Corporate Directors.

After starting my career within multinationals, I quickly moved towards a role as an industrial investment professional having worked for most of my career in the fields of venture capital, private placement, project financing and mergers and acquisitions. In this capacity I acted as a senior executive for the Société générale de financement du Québec for 10 years before launching my private practice in the form of a boutique investment bank.

This practice has developed over the years based on my multi-sector and technological expertise, particularly in the fields of energy, metals and minerals, chemicals and petrochemicals, the automotive industry, other manufacturing sectors and, among other things, the evolution of these sectors towards the decarbonization of the economy.

I have had institutional and government funds as clients as well as numerous private companies for 25 years. I participated in the setting up of multiple investment projects and transactions. Among other things, I acted as an external advisor for SDTC between 2006 and 2014. My combined expertise in multi-sector venture capital and the setting up of large-scale projects was then called upon, particularly with regards to the NextGen Biofuels fund of SDTC for which $500 million was allocated to SDTC in 2007 by the federal government then in power.

Since 2020, I have been exclusively a corporate director and act on six boards of directors and various committees.

Having taken a distance of 4 years from SDTC and a new management being in place, I joined the SDTC board of directors on November 8, 2018, following an appointment resulting from my application to a recruitment process conducted by the Governor in Council which lasted over a year. Having no political affiliation and having requested no references except those required by the validation procedures during the recruitment process, I have declared all my background and skills, including my previous role as an advisor for SDTC. At the end of the Governor in Council process, I was recruited based on my expertise to contribute to the SDTC Board of Directors.

In addition to being a member of the board of directors, I am a member of the Project Review Committee, or PRC, and the Governance and Nominations Committee. Appointments to committees were subject to the approval of the Chair of the board, in this case Mr. Jim Balsillie at the time of my appointment.

During the Governor in Council recruitment process, I declared a conflict of interest with a company which I had advised, and which had been approved for SDTC funding prior to my appointment to the board. Once appointed I discussed this conflict of interest with Mr. Gary Lunn, then Chair of the SDTC Board Governance Committee. He advised me and I subsequently followed his recommendations as required, all within the framework of already established governance.

Since my appointment to the board, I have periodically declared all real, apparent or potential conflicts, I have not had access to the files in question and have recused myself from any decision relating thereto.

Regarding the emergency COVID‑19 payment to businesses by SDTC, as already indicated, the SDTC Board referred to the Osler legal opinion which was based on the prior declaration of conflicts of interest, the urgency of the situation and the universal nature of the measure for which no company benefited from individual treatment. Like the rest of the Board directors, I acted in good faith, in accordance with this opinion.

SDTC's mission appeals to me in the sense that it is absolutely relevant for the conversion of the Canadian economy towards decarbonization as demonstrated by its track record over more than 20 years. The relevance and effectiveness of SDTC have been recognized on several occasions through periodic performance audits. Furthermore, cleantech entrepreneurs praise its contribution and venture capitalists consider a SDTC contribution as prior validation for their own investment. These facts are well known in the industry across Canada.

When joining the board, I noted the quality of SDTC's governance, as well as the stature and reputation of my fellow directors. As a finance professional and corporate director, this is an essential prerequisite that I have always applied before joining each of the 21 boards of directors on which I have participated in my career.

I am available to answer your questions.

6:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you very much, Mr. Ouimet.

Mr. Perkins, you have the floor for six minutes.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, witnesses, and Mr. Lafond, for clarifying that opening statement and the relationships you have.

My questions initially will be for Mr. Kukucha.

Mr. Kukucha, you said you joined in February 2021. What is your relationship with the company Semios?

6:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

As part of my work with PacBridge Partners, we did due diligence on Semios to see if we wanted to invest, and we did not invest. That's the extent of my relationship.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

PacBridge is a venture capital firm.

6:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

It's a private equity and venture capital firm.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

What's your relationship with Terramera?

6:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

In 2016, five years before I joined, I made a very small investment because I knew the CEO. That's the extent of it.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

What is Miraterra technologies?

6:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

I believe Miraterra and Terramera are the same company, or are they just split? My recollection is....

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

I believe Terramera received about half a million dollars in special COVID relief before you joined the board. After you joined the board it received another $349,000 in COVID relief.

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Wait one second, Mr. Kukucha, before you answer. Can you get the boom of your microphone up a little bit?

I think that should be better. You can go ahead. You can answer the question by Mr. Perkins.

I don't know, Mr. Perkins, if you want to repeat it.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

I'll restate it.

Terramera, which you have an interest in, received—I have to get it right—$141,000 before you were on the board in special COVID relief payments and then another $349,000 after you joined the board.

6:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

That seems to make sense.

Like I said, sir, I invested $15,000 in 2016 as a favour to the CEO. I'm a passive investor. I don't track the company. When those COVID payments were made, I declared Terramera as a conflict when I joined, because I had a small investment in them. As I have previously stated, we had legal advice. I just declared the conflicts two weeks prior to my joining.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

You don't have any interest whatsoever in Semios?

6:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

I have no interest in Semios whatsoever, sir. We did due diligence to consider investing, but we chose not to invest. I believe that was also prior to my joining the board.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Terramera got half a million dollars in COVID relief. Some was before and some was after you joined the board.

Terramera received, I believe after you joined the board, announced funding from SDTC in March 30, 2021, of almost $8 million. They received about four and a half million dollars before you were on the board from SDTC. Is that correct?

6:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

I honestly don't know. I'll have to take you at your word, sir.

Like I said, I made that investment five years before I even joined the board. It's such a small investment on my part. I don't track it. I don't follow it regularly. I hope the company succeeds, as I'm sure every Canadian would, considering SDTC's—

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

What's your interest in Intelligent City Inc.?

6:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

I have no personal interest in it whatsoever.

I'm a senior adviser to a small, mid-level investment bank in Vancouver called Fort Capital. Fort Capital, prior to my joining that bank and the board, raised money for Intelligent City. I felt the need to declare it, because the firm I was attached to had previously raised capital for it.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

While you were on the board, you and some of the other board members were on the special COVID committee. Were you aware when you were voting for the COVID relief money that your fellow board member, Andrée-Lise Méthot's company, in which she has a private equity venture capital interest in, received $1.4 million in COVID relief?

6:50 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

I was not presented.... Like I stated, sir, I joined the board two weeks prior to the second COVID vote, I believe. I had declared all of my conflicts, and we had received legal—

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

I understand that.

You weren't aware that other board members were receiving money. In her case, one of her companies was getting 10%, not the 5% that Annette Verschuren said.

6:50 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, CERO Technologies

Stephen Kukucha

I can't speak to those facts, sir. I have no knowledge.

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Annette Verschuren's companies were receiving almost $300,000 in COVID relief payments. She was the chair of the board when she moved the motion.