I see. I think that in a situation where you have a power structure of a chair or directors that have particular conflicts, the best you can do in this situation is do exactly that, have them leave the room, but obviously, the perception is strong, even if they hold the highest standards and do not discuss the activities, that they should have recused themselves. I think that's the reason we find ourselves here today, that even if they held the highest possible standard and did not see any situations where they didn't talk about things conflicted outside of the meeting rooms, even if they did hold that high standard, the perception is strong that they may have.
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