I can give you a specific example.
There was a board member pre-2019. Mr. Lunn and I spoke to them about a potential conflict they had as a consultant with an organization. They stepped back from the organization and recused themself. Later, after Mr. Lunn was gone and Ms. Verschuren was appointed—it was about a year after she was appointed—that individual came back and said, “Well, given that direct conflicts are now allowed, I'm going to go on the board of this organization.” That was a funded company.