Evidence of meeting #11 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was know.

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1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to meeting No. 11 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Industry and Technology.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, January 20, 2022, the committee is meeting to study the Mandate Letters of the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, the Minister of Rural Economic Development, and the Minister of International Trade, Export Promotion, Small Business and Economic Development.

Today’s meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House Order of Thursday, November 25, 2021. Members may attend in person or remotely using the Zoom application. I note that some of our colleagues are participating in the meeting virtually. Those who are here in Ottawa are familiar with the health rules in effect, and I encourage them to follow them.

I am pleased to welcome the honourable François-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, the honourable Gudie Hutchings, Minister of Rural Economic Development, and the honourable Mary Ng,Minister of International Trade, Export Promotion, Small Business and Economic Development.

With them are Sara Wilshaw, Chief Trade Commissioner and Assistant Deputy Minister, International Business Development, Investment and Innovation at the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, and Simon Kennedy and Francis Bilodeau, Deputy Minister and Associate Deputy Minister, respectively, at the Department of Industry.

Thank you for being with us today.

Without further delay, I yield the floor to Mr. Champagne, who will be followed by Ms. Ng and Ms. Hutchings.

1 p.m.

Saint-Maurice—Champlain Québec

Liberal

François-Philippe Champagne LiberalMinister of Innovation

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to say hello to my colleague Mr. Deltell of the Conservative Party, who has just joined the Committee.

It is a privilege and a pleasure to see you at this committee again, Mr. Deltell.

Mr. Chair, colleagues, it is of course a great pleasure for me to join you again to discuss...

1 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Just a moment, please, Minister.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

I'm so sorry to interrupt you, Minister, but I just heard that, apparently, people online can't see the room. There's something not working with the video.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

I think the members who are online can see and hear us now.

Minister, you have the floor.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Thank you. I will begin my speech again.

I was saying hello to our colleague Mr. Deltell who had joined the committee. It is a pleasure to see him again.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I am very happy to be with my colleagues once again to discuss my priorities as Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry of Canada. Since being appointed as Minister in January 2021, and since receiving my mandate renewal letter from the Prime Minister in December, I have worked above all else to create the conditions for the long-term economic success of Canada.

I'm also honoured to appear today alongside my two cabinet colleagues, Minister Ng and Minister Hutchings. I know they are equally engaged with our post-COVID recovery, which is why we are taking a collaborative approach to achieve our ambitious objectives and to use the tools at our disposal to support Canada's economic recovery and prepare us for the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead.

I would now like to highlight a few of the ways that we are supporting Canadian industry during this unprecedented time in our country.

Setting the right conditions for industrial success and economic growth requires everyone to look towards the future.

However, we understand that in order to stay competitive, the Canadian economy needs continuous investments in innovation and in all industries and, of course, in all sectors. That is why our government is continuing to support large-scale research and development in Canada's traditional industries, such as the auto and aerospace industries, natural resources and agri-food.

We also know that the entire international community is still currently experiencing supply chain issues related to COVID-19. This is why my colleagues and I have been working closely with our counterparts and allies around the world, particularly in the United States, Europe and elsewhere to enhance supply chain security for key commodities such as critical minerals, batteries and semiconductors, and in crucial sectors like life sciences, manufacturing, transportation and defence. I will continue to raise these issues as I did on my last trips to Washington, D.C., Mexico and Europe.

Just as we have had the backs of families, small businesses and workers since day one of this pandemic, our government has worked tirelessly to support our industrial community to move toward a resilient, inclusive and low-carbon economic future. We are doing this because we know that growing our economy and protecting our environment go hand in hand.

We will do everything we can to combat climate change—something I know, Mr. Chair, you care very much about—lower emissions and promote Canadian ingenuity as we accelerate the transformation to a net-zero future. At the heart of this is the net-zero accelerator, an initiative through which we are making transformative investments worth over $8 billion to help decarbonize heavy-emitting industries, like steel and aluminum, and support innovation in net-zero growth sectors, such as zero-emission vehicles, batteries and clean tech. I'm sure members of the committee have seen this morning's great announcement from BASF to build a battery ecosystem in our nation.

I would also like to thank our officials. Mr. Chair, as you and all members know, we were able to deliver and help companies across the nation, thanks to the very dedicated civil servants and professionals we have.

This past summer, we made historic investments to decarbonize the operation of Algoma Steel and ArcelorMittal Dofasco, creating good jobs in communities like Sault Ste. Marie and Hamilton in the process. These investments will not only ensure that Canada's steel producers play a key part in our economic recovery, but they will also contribute meaningfully to our climate targets by reducing emissions equivalent to taking almost two million cars off the road. This is quite astonishing.

In 2018, we supported a joint venture between Alcoa and Rio Tinto called ELYSIS, which a number of colleagues will be familiar with. This will produce the world's first carbon-free aluminum right here in Canada.

Mr. Lemire, I think you are quite familiar with this initiative.

We are also supporting industry in their efforts to produce low-carbon concrete, so that Canada is a world leader in sustainable construction materials.

These efforts are just a few examples of a strategic, dedicated focus by our government to develop green supply chains that leverage our existing strengths and position us as a global leader in the green industrial transformation.

Canada will soon be a world leader in the production of green steel, green aluminum and green batteries.

Through these initiatives, we are positioning Canada to become a leader in the green industrial revolution that is sweeping the global economy.

We are also supporting the Canadian auto sector as it pivots towards zero-emission vehicle production. Through the mines to mobility initiative, we are building an entire new value chain and attracting anchor investments in critical minerals processing—again, this morning was a good example with BASF—battery cell manufacturing and zero-emission vehicle parts and assembly.

This is about the big picture. This is about the whole ZEV and battery ecosystem. This is about seeing where the market is going and positioning Canada in a leading role. This is about taking strategic, immediate action with a long-term vision.

I am very optimistic about our capacity to be that global leader. We have the necessary resources and we have the talent that is needed. We are a government that will continue to be ambitious and will seize the opportunity presented to us to secure a better future for Canadian workers and the planet as a whole.

Of course, all of these will be complemented by initiatives to help develop Canadian clean tech and to support small and medium-sized enterprises—like my colleague Minister Ng is doing every day with a lot of passion—that are active in the decarbonization efforts.

Colleagues, I would now like to talk to you about a subject we are all too familiar with in the wake of the global pandemic: the importance of bio-manufacturing in Canada.

While we are moving forward and leaving the COVID-19 pandemic behind us, we must also make sure that Canada is better prepared to deal with future threats and pandemics.

I know that your committee—I value the work of this committee, Mr. Chair. I want very much for everyone to know that—has already studied this issue and is well aware of that.

When this pandemic began, you will recall that Canada had no biomanufacturing capacity really suitable for a COVID-19 vaccine. From the first days of the pandemic, our government invested to quickly build up a flexible domestic capacity, and we have adopted a historic biomanufacturing and life sciences strategy. This has resulted in an investment of more than $2.2 billion to reinforce Canada's world-leading capabilities in life sciences and biomedical research and grow a vibrant, domestic biomanufacturing and life sciences sector that now supports thousands of good, middle-class jobs.

We have secured a new private sector manufacturing investment with companies like Sanofi in Toronto and made major investments in manufacturing capacities with partners like AbCellera in Vancouver, Resilience Biotechnologies, Medicago in Quebec City, and BioVectra in Prince Edward Island.

We've also strengthened the government-owned manufacturing capacity with the National Research Council, because it was important for me to have a public facility to be able to support our efforts in the future. We will continue to build on this foundation in the years to come.

In addition, we are proud that we have landed one of the first Moderna facilities outside of the United States. We know we can't predict the next pandemic, and we are still finishing the fight against COVID-19, but we can make sure that in the future we are not caught unprepared. This is about ensuring the safety and security of Canadians for generations to come.

I would like to switch gears to focus on the parts of our economy that might be less tangible than steel, aluminum or vaccines, but that are no less important. We are making sure that Canada has the capacity needed to develop and maximize next generation technologies, such as artificial intelligence and quantum computing. We are doing this with initiatives like the pan-Canadian artificial intelligence strategy and the national quantum strategy, both of which build on Canada's strengths in these emerging areas.

We also know that the future of our economy is undoubtedly digital. I know this committee cares very much about the digital economy. That's why we are working aggressively to get all Canadians high-speed access to the Internet, which I'm sure my distinguished colleague, Minister Hutchings, will speak to you about, because this is about connecting Canadians.

For Canadians to be able to prosper and profit from the digital economy, we know that they must have confidence that their data is secure and their privacy is protected.

That is why I will be introducing a bill in this session of Parliament to guarantee that Canadians enjoy world-class measures to protect their privacy and their data and that actors who break privacy laws are held effectively to account.

Of course, our legislation will establish a modernized privacy framework that enables responsible innovation in the fast-changing digital economy of the 21st century.

Our government wants Canadians to make the most of the digital economy. To do so, we must foster a high level of trust. This will include ongoing efforts to combat cyber-risks and ensure the integrity of Canada's critical system.

We also understand that copyright and intellectual property are vital to Canada's creative, social and economic well-being. By helping Canadians to better understand, protect and access IP, we are making sure that Canadians, entrepreneurs and researchers will have the tools they need to take advantage of new opportunities.

In conclusion, in our response to the COVID-19 pandemic, we once again saw the tremendous vitality of the Canadian economy and the talent and ingenuity of Canadian workers across our nation. It is a fact I'm reminded of every day in my role as minister. This is why I'm so optimistic about our growth agenda.

In the very early days of the pandemic, when access to life-saving PPE was everyone's primary concern, manufacturers from coast to coast stepped up to retool their operations to help produce masks, gowns, face masks and hand sanitizer. When our focus shifted towards vaccines, we were able to make historic investments to help revitalize our long-dormant domestic biomanufacturing sector.

Even in the face of unprecedented uncertainty, our auto sector has started a historic pivot towards hybrid and zero-emission vehicles, and our booming tech sector continues to make Canada a world-class hub for knowledge and talent.

For these reasons and many others, Mr. Chair, I am very optimistic about our economic objectives and our economic program. We have the talent, the resources and the tools we need to succeed together.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you, Mr. Champagne.

Ms. Ng, the floor is yours.

1:15 p.m.

Markham—Thornhill Ontario

Liberal

Mary Ng LiberalMinister of International Trade

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm thrilled to be joining all of you in person to talk about the very ambitious mandate as the Minister of International Trade, Export Promotion, Small Business and Economic Development. It's terrific to be here with Minister Champagne and Minister Hutchings. It's terrific to talk to the committee about the mandate of our respective portfolios. Picking up on what Minister Champagne said, it is very much a team approach that we take, so it's terrific to be here.

My mandate is all about generating growth and prosperity through economic development and creating opportunities for businesses to start up, to scale up and to access those international markets all around the world, while anchoring that success in growth right here in Canada.

I'm working to expand opportunities through trade, while making sure that no one is left behind. This means opening access to new markets and championing opportunities for women entrepreneurs, Black and indigenous business owners, and under-represented entrepreneurs.

It goes without saying that over these last two years we have made historic investments to support small enterprises.

From the wage and rent subsidies, the CEBA loans, and the hardest-hit business recovery program to the recently extended lockdown supports, my mandate goes much further than this pandemic.

Despite an unbelievable and difficult year, the Canadian economy has grown by 4.9 per cent.

This is thanks to the resilience of our small businesses and to the strength of our trade relationships. Canada is a trading nation. Trade accounts for two-thirds of our economy and one out of every six jobs. We're the only G7 country with a trade deal with every other G7 country. Our 15 agreements give our businesses access to 1.5 billion customers and to over 60% of the world's economy. We are working hard to grow those opportunities.

Our trade relationships are made up of thousands of individual success stories, but let me just tell you about one that stretches from Nova Scotia to Virginia, U.S.A., demonstrating the strength of the relationship with one of our closest trading partners.

The company is CarbonCure. CarbonCure's groundbreaking technology injects carbon dioxide into concrete, taking harmful greenhouse gases out of the environment. It makes the concrete much stronger, which means that builders use less of it. CarbonCure's innovation improves quality, and it fights climate change by lowering the carbon footprint in every project. In Virginia, Amazon's HQ2 headquarters is being built, and CarbonCure is in that building.

This is just one of hundreds of construction projects across North America, indeed around the world, that's using this innovation. This is Canadian innovation, assembled on the east coast of Canada in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, using parts that are sourced by an American distributor. The CO2 tanks used in CarbonCure's process are manufactured by multiple U.S. companies, including Helget Gas of Omaha.

This is the human dimension of trade. It's prosperity for our innovators, for go-getters, for business people, and indeed, for workers. It's stories, just like this one, all taken together, that are adding up to this past year's economic growth and recovery.

There is a reason that the Prime Minister created this position that combines international trade and small business, and to achieve economic development. It is to make sure that our small businesses are getting every opportunity to grow, to succeed around the world and here at home.

We know that in order for our enterprises to be able to do business, we have to help them develop and create jobs here in Canada. That is why we have made historic, essential investments in Canadian small enterprises.

Just yesterday in Ottawa, the Prime Minister and I announced the launch of the Canada digital adoption program, also known as CDAP. It's a $4-billion investment to help Canadian SMEs grow their businesses online and to boost their business technologies. It's to help them be more competitive.

Let's take an example of an entrepreneur who owns a main street clothing store. This program is going to help that owner establish a digital store and bring the business online. It's adding the click to the brick. For those entrepreneur suppliers who manufacture those clothes in Canada, we'll support their digital transformation to help them develop and improve their order fulfillment system, or to digitize some of their production line.

CDAP is going to be a game-changer for many businesses, including those in rural Canada. I know my colleague will happily talk about what is being done in rural Canada for those businesses and entrepreneurs. It will help them access new customers in their communities across Canada and, indeed, help reach that global marketplace around the world.

This program will also support our goal to get young people into the workforce with the skills of tomorrow. It's going to create 30,000 job placements for young Canadians.

We know that when we grow our businesses, we mustn't leave anyone behind. When we do, our economy is at a deficit. We can't afford to miss out on the talent, diversity and innovation of our country.

This is why, since 2018, we've invested over $6 billion in the women entrepreneurship strategy. This will unlock financing and resources and develop a supportive ecosystem to help women entrepreneurs succeed. To date, this program has helped 5,000 women start their businesses and over 7,000 women entrepreneurs grow their existing businesses, and there is still more to come.

We're also investing to remove systemic barriers faced by Black entrepreneurs and business owners through a $265-million Black entrepreneurship program, developed with Black entrepreneurs for Black entrepreneurs to address the systemic inequalities that Black-owned businesses and entrepreneurs have faced for far too long.

When there are more prosperous Canadian entrepreneurs, our communities and our economy prosper.

In closing, the government understands that a successful and inclusive recovery depends on our communities and our small businesses, and our willingness and ability as leaders to do things differently and to adapt.

Thank you so much for having me. I look forward to answering your questions.

Thank you for having me. I look forward to answering your questions.

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you, Minister Ng.

Minister Hutchings, the floor is yours.

March 4th, 2022 / 1:25 p.m.

Long Range Mountains Newfoundland & Labrador

Liberal

Gudie Hutchings LiberalMinister of Rural Economic Development

Thank you, Mr. Chair and honourable colleagues. It's wonderful to be with you today in this exciting committee.

I am honoured to appear before you as the Minister of Rural Economic Development, but foremost, as the member for Long Range Mountains in the magnificent province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

For those who don't know, my riding is what I call really rural. Believe it or not, it's the size of Switzerland and I'm honoured to represent over 200 communities. It even has amazing chocolatiers and I would argue they are way better than Swiss chocolate.

It's important to highlight this, as I understand the challenges rural communities face. However, more important are those communities' resiliency and strength.

Rural Canada makes up approximately 20% of our population and contributes nearly 30% of our country's gross domestic product, yet we know that Canadians living in rural and remote communities face unique realities, challenges and opportunities that must be considered when designing federal policies.

We have been listening to rural Canadians. We have heard consistently that the number one priority is to address the critical need for reliable and affordable high-speed Internet for all Canadians, regardless of where they live.

Since 2015, our Liberal government has made a total of $7.2 billion available for broadband connectivity. This investment is more than all other previous governments' investments combined. We launched a universal broadband fund in November 2020, supported by $2.75 billion to bring high-speed Internet to rural, remote and indigenous communities.

I'm proud to share with the committee that since 2015, we have approved programs and projects to connect 1.7 million Canadian households. By 2026 we will connect another 1.2 million Canadian families with better, faster and affordable Internet. We're investing in broadband projects in rural communities throughout Yellowhead County in Alberta, Eagle Ridge County Estates in Saskatchewan, and my home province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

I can assure members of this committee and all Canadians that we are on track to connect 98% of Canadians by 2026 and 100% by 2030. We know that high-speed Internet is essential for Canadians in rural and remote areas to connect with loved ones, use virtual health, manage their farm, do their banking, access online education, work from home or run their business.

I have also been tasked to lead the continued implementation of the rural economic development strategy. Our government will build on existing investments, improve community-level rural and data reporting and identify improvements that could be made to programs, policies and future investments all to benefit rural communities.

Simply put, we need to develop solutions that are outside the box and outside the Ottawa bubble. Our Liberal government is focused on building a stronger, more resilient and inclusive economy for everyone, from Canadians living in our smallest remote communities to those in our largest urban centres.

To that end, there is no one-size-fits-all approach. Through the enhanced GBA+, rurality is one of the indicators for consideration in development of federal policy now. We will continue to make this GBA+ analysis an even better tool.

We're making sure that our decisions, policies and programs are tailored to smaller and remote communities to address critical rural needs like connectivity, housing, climate change, health, tourism, community infrastructure, immigration and, of course, the workforce.

We are aware of the lack of rural data, so we have established agreements with Statistics Canada to improve the availability of information. With this, our government is better equipped to deliver results for rural Canada.

We are committed to ensuring that the services your federal government delivers reflect the needs of Canadians from coast to coast to coast. Specifically, I have been directed to focus on issues surrounding rural transit, mental health services and housing, and the visibility and accessibility of all these services.

Working with my cabinet colleagues, I'm confident in our ability to make real practical differences in the lives of rural Canadians. It's for those seniors living in small towns who are an hour away from the closest grocery store without access to public transit. It's for the parents of a child who needs to see a specialist and the hospital is 10 hours away, or for the newly arrived family in Canada who wants to settle in one of our small, beautiful towns, but can't find a place to call home.

I'm also working with my cabinet colleagues to ensure that Canada Post service better reaches Canadians in rural and remote areas. Working with my colleague, Minister Ng, I'm designing a new futures fund for Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador, which supports local and regional economic diversification and employs place-based strategies.

All of these efforts are critical and timely as we all work together to end the fight against COVID-19 and build back an economy that works for everyone.

Rural communities are the backbone of our economy. When rural Canada succeeds, all of Canada is stronger.

To conclude, I welcome the opportunity to work with you as we strive to achieve progress for all Canadians living in the rural communities of our great and beautiful country.

I look forward to your questions, my friends.

Thank you.

1:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Ministers, thank you.

Before we start with the first round of questions, for the benefit of our witnesses and our new colleagues, I will let you know that I use this yellow card, which means there is one minute left, and this red card, which means there's no more time left.

I would also ask our witnesses to try to keep their answers proportionate, as much as possible, to the questions being asked.

Without further ado, we'll start with MP Gray for six minutes.

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to the ministers for being here today.

Minister Ng, you announced details on the Canada digital adoption program yesterday. Paul Wells at Maclean's reported that more than 50 not-for-profits applied to administer the grow your business stream, but there were fewer details on the boost your business stream.

Was there an RFP process to select the not-for-profit for that stream?

1:30 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

We had a competitive process for service providers all across the country that will help our businesses go digital. Yes, the work we did was through a competitive process.

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Was that posted on Canada Gazette? Can you advise on where that might have been posted?

1:30 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

We ran an open process that would have been posted on our website quite a number of months ago. The required due diligence performed by the department was exactly that. Transparency is something that we are very committed to, and to making sure that these service providers have come in through a competitive process.

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Do you know how many organizations were considered?

1:30 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I don't off the top, but I'm sure we can get that information for you.

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Okay. Perhaps you could table for the committee the organizations that were considered.

As well, what metrics and scoring criteria were part of the consideration of the process?

1:30 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Let me take a step back for a second. We saw in the pandemic, through Statistics Canada, a 110% increase in businesses going digital from 2019 to 2020. We saw more digital adoption by businesses in the last two years than the last decade. The real need to grow, and grow digitally, is what this program will do.

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Thank you, Minister. Again, perhaps the metrics could be tabled with this committee.

Yes or no, do you know if this was a sole-source contract?

1:30 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

It was not.

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Okay.

Magnet was the organization that was selected. Yes or no, do you know if they've done a project of this size and scope across Canada to place roughly around 16,000 people?

1:30 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

What I'm really thrilled about is that this program is going to provide 30,000 placements for young people to help Canada's businesses digitize and to boost their technology. I think there's a real win-win here in this program, where young people get the opportunity and businesses go digital.

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Thank you, Minister.

Do you know if Magnet also applied for the grow your business stream?