Evidence of meeting #65 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was minerals.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Megan Nichols  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Kimberly Lavoie  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Mining Policy and Critical Minerals, Department of Natural Resources
Sheryl Groeneweg  Director General, Advanced Manufacturing and Industrial Strategy Branch, Department of Industry
Dany Drouin  Director General, Plastics and Waste Management Directorate, Department of the Environment
Patrick Hum  Senior Director, Advanced Manufacturing and Materials Industries Directorate, Department of Industry

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Good afternoon, everyone.

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting No. 65 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Industry and Technology.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, November 28, 2022, the committee is meeting to study the development and support of the electronics, metals and plastics recycling industry.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of Thursday, June 23, 2022. I'm happy to report that for the first time in a long time everyone is here in Ottawa, and all of our witnesses are here. It feels like 2019 all over again. It's good to have you.

I'm very happy to have you.

I would like to thank the witnesses for participating in this exercise.

So today we have Sheryl Groeneweg, Director General, Advanced Manufacturing and Industrial Strategy Branch, and Patrick Hum, Senior Director, Advanced Manufacturing and Materials Industries Directorate, both from the Department of Industry.

We also have Kimberley Lavoie, Associate Assistant Deputy Minister of Mineral Policy and Critical Minerals at the Department of Natural Resources.

And last, we have, from the Department of the Environment, Megan Nichols, Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch; Dany Drouin, Director General, Plastics and Waste Management Directorate; and Leah Canning, Director, Policy Priorities, Strategic Policy Branch.

Thank you for taking the time to come and meet with us and tell us about the subjects we are studying.

Without further ado, the floor is yours for five minutes, Ms. Groeneweg.

4:35 p.m.

Megan Nichols Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

If I may, Mr. Chair, I will be starting the presentation.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Fine.

4:35 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Megan Nichols

Thank you.

Good afternoon.

Thank you for the opportunity to appear before the committee in support of its study. I'm pleased to appear here with colleagues from Environment and Climate Change Canada; Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada; and Natural Resources Canada.

The circular economy provides an alternative and more sustainable framework for the design, production and consumption of products and materials. It keeps them in the economy and out of landfills for as long as possible. That's all in support of the Government of Canada's efforts to tackle climate change, biodiversity loss and pollution, while creating opportunities for clean growth and job creation.

As such, the Government of Canada has embedded circular economy principles into policies and initiatives across a variety of sectors, including food waste, mining and minerals, home appliances and electronics, and plastics.

More specifically, I am going to talk about the approach taken by the Government of Canada to supporting the transition to a circular economy for plastics. My colleagues will address the other components of your study.

Improving the way we manage plastic waste can reduce plastic pollution and carbon pollution, retain the value of plastics in the economy, and generate new revenues and jobs. In support of this, we've set an ambitious Canada-wide goal of zero plastic waste by 2030 and announced over $275 million to support its achievement.

However, we know there are challenges to overcome. These include the cost of recycled plastics and the lack of economies of scale, especially compared to new plastics and the costs of landfilling; weak end-markets for recycled plastics due to limited supply and demand for these products, and their uneven quality; and low collection and recycling rates due to a range of factors, such as contamination and lack of infrastructure.

The approach taken by the government for meeting these challenges applies at each stage of the life cycle of plastics and follows the hierarchy of waste management. At the top of that hierarchy, measures for preventing and reducing waste are the most effective and often cost less and have environmental benefits. They are followed by reusing and repairing, remanufacturing and refurbishing, recycling, and, last, burying.

In Canada, this is a shared responsibility. The federal role in supporting the transition to a circular plastics economy rests in the government's market levers and environmental protection authorities. Downstream collection and disposal is the purview of the provinces and territories. Many have regulated producers of plastic packaging and electronics to require them to pay for the collection and recycling of these products through extended producer responsibility regulations. Municipal and regional governments manage public landfills and implement bylaws to increase waste diversion.

The federal government works closely with the provinces and territories, under the aegis of the Canadian Council of Ministers of the Environment, to implement the Canada-wide Action Plan on Zero Plastic Waste and the strategy that accompanies it.

The CCME action plan contains a broad range of activities, from improving plastic product design to supporting reuse and repair, establishing consistent extended producer responsibility programs across the country, providing support for infrastructure to recover and recycle plastics, and developing standards for recycled content in plastic products.

In addition to collaborating with provinces and territories, the federal government is taking measures to achieve our zero plastic waste goal through innovation, regulations and collaboration with other actors. We have banned certain single-use plastic items where they are harmful to the environment and difficult to recycle. We have committed to requiring labelling of recyclable and compostable plastics to reduce confusion and improve recycling and composting outcomes. We have committed to implementing minimum recycled content requirements for plastic packaging to strengthen end-market demand and supply, and we have launched work to achieve a recycling rate of 90% for plastic beverage containers.

Canada continues to work with other countries as well to tackle plastic pollution. We are advocating for an ambitious, legally binding international agreement to address waste and pollution. If these negotiations are successful, plastic markets around the world will be under even greater pressure to become more circular.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk with you today.

I look forward to answering your questions.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you.

I don't know who wants to go next.

Madame Lavoie, the floor is yours.

4:40 p.m.

Kimberly Lavoie Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Mining Policy and Critical Minerals, Department of Natural Resources

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the opportunity to appear before committee today.

Critical minerals are the base inputs to electric vehicle batteries and advanced manufacturing sectors, including clean energy, information and communications technology, and defence applications. The demand for critical minerals is forecast to skyrocket in the years ahead.

In December 2022, Minister Wilkinson announced the Canadian Critical Minerals Strategy, with an overall goal of stimulating the development of Canadian critical mineral value chains—from exploration and research through to full-scale production, to recycling.

Representing the largest single investment that the Government of Canada has ever made in mining, the Canadian Critical Minerals Strategy includes the circular economy as a key tenet of supporting economic growth and competitiveness.

This commitment to a circular economy is also reflected in the Canadian Minerals and Metals Plan—a pan-Canadian policy framework to boost the competitiveness of the entire minerals and metals industry in this country.

Circular economy approaches will be essential to meet the material requirements of a low-carbon transition and ensure the long-term competitiveness of Canada's minerals and metals sector in meeting those requirements.

The Government of Canada is committed to helping embed circular economy principles into our sustainable mining practices, both here at home and on the world stage. For example, Canada announced the creation of the sustainable critical minerals alliance at COP15 in December 2022, which includes a commitment to building a circular economy.

And we are making progress. Canada is already a leading recycler of a number of minerals and metals including iron & steel, aluminum, scrap copper, lead, nickel and zinc, through our existing smelters and refining capacity. As first generation clean technologies like wind turbines and solar panels reach their end of life, new economic opportunities to recycle will emerge.

Further, the sector continues to innovate. Some of the leading practices the Canadian mining and minerals industry is undertaking here in Canada include CVW CleanTech, extracting titanium and zircon from oil sands tailings; Geomega recycling, building an alumina waste-processing plant and active in rare earth magnet recycling; and Li-Cycle, scaling up their lithium-ion battery-recycling facility in Kingston from 5,000 tonnes to 10,000 tonnes per year and expanding globally into France.

These are important examples to bring the concept of a circular economy to life and to demonstrate how it connects to economic activity and prosperity for our communities.

We are actively developing policies and working with provinces and territories on the regulatory frameworks to encourage more circular solutions.

Where supply chains are nascent or developing in Canada, as in the case of rare earth elements and battery materials, we may provide funding where this can help advance solutions and development.

We also develop science and technology policy more broadly. As well as conducting research and development, NRCan—Natural Resources Canada—leads the “mining value from waste” initiative, which is part of our ongoing green mining innovation research.

Governments can also play a role in de-risking technology adoption through initiatives like the Critical Minerals Research, Development and Demonstration program where Natural Resources Canada is supporting industry, including in the areas of recycling and from alternative sources.

I hope these examples of the innovative work happening on critical minerals and circular solutions to support the clean energy transition will inform the committee's thinking on approaches being undertaken in this important area.

Thank you.

I would be happy to take questions from members of the committee.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you, Ms. Lavoie.

Ms. Groeneweg, the floor is now yours.

4:45 p.m.

Sheryl Groeneweg Director General, Advanced Manufacturing and Industrial Strategy Branch, Department of Industry

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

ISED's mandate is to improve conditions for economic investment, enhance Canada's innovation performance, increase Canada's share of global trade and ensure a fair, efficient and competitive marketplace. The department has a purview across a wide range of industrial sectors: steel, aluminum, chemicals, plastics, textiles and apparel, critical minerals, clean technologies, automobiles, aerospace, space, marine, digital, AI and quantum. It's quite a wide swath of the economy.

The composition, performance, pressures and opportunities facing these sectors are essential to setting the strategic direction for Canada's economic future. As ISED undertakes its work, there is recognition that, globally, there is an ever-increasing emphasis on industrial policy that sees competitive advantage in the transition to a low-carbon economy, and recycling as an economic advantage and, furthermore, an industrial policy pillar. There is a drive to spur on innovation and develop technologies that create new market value and are considerate of robust supply chains and resiliency.

In this context, ISED is active in areas related to circularity, particularly when it comes to emission reductions and industrial transformation. For the work of this committee, this includes areas such as critical minerals recycling, and innovation and development of the advanced materials necessary for Canada's clean technology and manufacturing industries. For example, with the growing demand for electric vehicles, Canadian companies continue to pursue advantage at the forefront of R and D. This includes considering how best to enable the sustainable recovery of critical minerals from spent electric vehicle batteries.

Across Canada's industrial sectors, companies are actively exploring and implementing disruptive changes to the ways in which they do business as the world transitions to a low-carbon economy. Through existing direct-funding programs, including the strategic innovation fund, the department is supporting projects that exemplify Canada's domestic orientation for industrial transformation towards a greener economy.

For example, with funding delivered through the Canadian critical minerals strategy, the SIF provided $222 million in support of a $737-million project with Rio Tinto Fer et Titane. This project aims to recover scandium from existing waste streams and promotes a circular economy approach, while also growing Canada's critical mineral production capacity for strategic industrial sectors.

SIF and the Canada Infrastructure Bank also provided $820 million in federal investments to ArcelorMittal Dofasco and Algoma Steel to support both producers in transitioning from coal-fired steelmaking to scrap-based electric arc furnace steel production in Sault Ste. Marie and Hamilton, Ontario, respectively.

Greater reliance on circularity, particularly in recycling, reuse and repair, has the potential to alleviate supply chain pressures that are persistent in the postpandemic global context. Both in Canada and around the world, a growing number of companies are looking at different ways to harvest key inputs, including critical minerals like lithium, neodymium, gallium, graphite, aluminum and copper, from post-consumer products. Some companies operating in this space are already processing 100,000 tonnes of recycled materials annually. This includes materials vital for Canada's emerging battery-manufacturing ecosystem, where new business models that promote circularity are just beginning to emerge now.

As the committee explores the topic of circularity and recycling, I would like to mention several market failures that are preventing widespread adoption in the deployment of recycling across industrial sectors.

For example, in many sectors, the cost of recycling—including collection, sorting and processing—is high. It is challenging for companies to grow and scale operations to a point of profitability, particularly when they are competing in the context of international markets. In many manufacturing sectors, it is often significantly cheaper to source new materials from overseas, many of which have a higher carbon intensity. Many recycling processes also require significant volumes of energy or need to be conducted at a scale the infrastructure across the country cannot currently support, such as in the case of plastics.

As well, I will point out that the complexity of the shift to a circular economy, particularly when considering a broad spectrum of products like electronics, metals and plastics, cannot be overstated. There is appreciable diversity within all industrial areas, each of which is facing particular challenges and opportunities that must be understood within their unique sectoral contexts.

With this understanding, ISED continues to support the government in advancing its circularity and climate objectives. The department's breadth of regulatory, legislative, policy, and program tools are available in support of these goals.

As the work of this committee continues, I would encourage you to speak with representatives from a broad range of sectors to understand the unique circumstances of different industries.

Thank you. I look forward to your questions.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you.

We are going to begin the discussion with Mr. Fast.

4:50 p.m.

The Clerk

It's Mr. Vis.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Okay.

I'm sorry. There have been a few changes.

Mr. Vis, go ahead.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

Thank you to all the witnesses here today. I'm really looking forward to this study.

For the witnesses from Natural Resources, it was mentioned that critical minerals are important for the development of the circular economy in Canada. How much lithium was mined in Canada last year?

4:50 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Mining Policy and Critical Minerals, Department of Natural Resources

Kimberly Lavoie

Canada has two active lithium mines. Last year there was only one, in Manitoba. I don't have the exact stats at my fingertips, but I can certainly get them for you.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

Thank you.

How important is lithium to the development of battery technology?

4:50 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Mining Policy and Critical Minerals, Department of Natural Resources

Kimberly Lavoie

Lithium is one of the essential components in all of our current battery technologies, whether we are looking at it for electric vehicles or for storage. Lithium is an integral component, yes.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

What proportion of lithium reserves are in Canada, in the global context?

4:50 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Mining Policy and Critical Minerals, Department of Natural Resources

Kimberly Lavoie

Canada has significant lithium reserves. I would say the majority are right now in Chile and in China; Canada, I believe, is about sixth. I can certainly come back to confirm that.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

How many mining projects or how many applications to mine lithium are currently with the Government of Canada?

4:50 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Mining Policy and Critical Minerals, Department of Natural Resources

Kimberly Lavoie

There are a number of advanced projects that are under way in this country. If I had known, I would have brought my lithium brief with me.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

It's not advanced projects. How many environmental applications to mine lithium are currently before the federal government?

4:50 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Mining Policy and Critical Minerals, Department of Natural Resources

Kimberly Lavoie

Okay. Much of mining is in the realm of the provinces and territories. The vast majority of the regulation is in the provincial space, so most of the mining environmental assessment applications would be in that provincial space, not—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

Do you have any idea of the number of applications with provincial or territorial jurisdictions?

4:50 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Mining Policy and Critical Minerals, Department of Natural Resources

Kimberly Lavoie

I can get you the number. When I say “advanced projects”, those are ones that have either a feasibility or a pre-feasibility study and are ones that would be entering or have entered the environmental assessment process. I can get those numbers for you, as well as possibly the names.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

Thank you. That's very helpful. I look forward to that information.

To our industry officials, we heard, in great fanfare over the last number of days, that the Government of Canada made an investment with Volkswagen to develop a new battery plant. Can you tell us how much money the government gave Volkswagen to bring forward a battery plant to Canada?

4:55 p.m.

Director General, Advanced Manufacturing and Industrial Strategy Branch, Department of Industry

Sheryl Groeneweg

Thanks so much for the question.

That information is not yet public, so there is nothing I can communicate to you at this point.