I can assure you that I recused myself four times over real conflicts of interest, five times over apparent conflicts of interest and 26 times over potential conflicts of interest. As you can understand, since I was no longer on the board, I didn't have access to all the information needed to validate these numbers, but I would say it happened at least 35 times. There were four actual conflicts of interest in which Cycle Capital was already invested in a business in which SDTC was preparing to invest. That's a very significant nuance.
On November 28th, 2023. See this statement in context.