Thank you, Madam Chair.
I want to thank both of our witnesses for being with us today.
Madam Nasir, I just wanted to point out that the statement you made in March 2011, three years before we met, after the death of Shahbaz Bhatti, is worth the read if people would take the time to take a look at that. It's a statement of courage, I would say, particularly after both Governor Taseer and Shahbaz Bhatti paid with their lives for making some of those similar statements.
I want to ask you two questions, so I'll ask you to be short on your answer on the first one.
Are the courts in Pakistan of use to women human rights defenders or do they stand in the way? We seem to get mixed messages from the news coverage that we hear. I know there are a couple of groups, TWO and Women in Struggle for Empowerment, that have both gone back to court and been able to get their certifications back from the courts.
I'm just wondering, what role do the courts play in your struggle for justice for women and for Pakistanis?