For the ones that are not members of your association, you have no ability to utilize standards that you have, because they're not your members. They're not actually interested in the standards that you have.
The ones that are your members have been named today during the testimony in this panel and the one prior, and they are named as not being good actors on the world stage. Therefore, I wonder what the impact of your members not being good actors on the world stage has for those member organizations of MAC that are good actors.
What's the impact on those good players, those good corporate citizens, when there are Canadian companies that are abusing human rights, abusing the environment and abusing indigenous communities? What's the impact on the good mining companies?