That's a good question. I would say, yes, there's a huge problem. I think one of the panel members mentioned that there is xenophobia. There's hostility. People are being rejected. They don't have the same access to services.
In our program experience, many people working in the health system share the same prejudices: Venezuelans are lazy; they bring guns; they bring drugs. There's a whole xenophobic narrative. That is now also coupled with fear: We don't know what's happening inside Venezuela; their health system has collapsed; we don't trust any of the figures of the government there; they're probably spreading the virus to us.
All of that together, yes, makes it very difficult, incredibly difficult. That's why we cannot really trust official figures here regarding the coronavirus spread in the refugee and migration community.