Evidence of meeting #22 for Subcommittee on International Human Rights in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was haiti.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Monique Clesca  Journalist, Writer and Pro-Democracy Activist, Bureau de Suivi de l'Accord de Montana
Mark Brender  National Director, Partners In Health Canada
Renata Segura  Associate Director, Latin America and Caribbean, International Crisis Group
Jean Kisomair Dure  Pastor, Protestant Federation of Haiti
Gédéon Jean  Chief Executive Officer, Centre d’analyse et de recherche en droits de l’homme
Diego Da Rin  Consultant, Latin America and the Caribbean, International Crisis Group

10:10 a.m.

Diego Da Rin Consultant, Latin America and the Caribbean, International Crisis Group

Good morning.

To add to what Ms. Clesca said, I would say there are essentially three problems associated with the Police nationale d'Haïti.

First, there's a personnel shortage. We currently have approximately 13,000 active officers, but, according to the calculations of various military experts, at least half are colluding with gangs. However, some special units have already been trained and subjected to a rigorous security control process. One of them is the recent UTAG, the temporary anti-gang unit, which could conduct operations jointly with international troops that would potentially intervene.

There's another essential element. Along with potential outside intervention, we have to reinforce, control and train special units and, more generally, the police as a whole. There are also preliminary steps to physical intervention that are extremely important to bear in mind. Many people who live in gang-controlled areas have told me that gang leaders are afraid of foreign armed intervention. There was a sharp decline in the number of gang wars in various areas in the weeks following Prime Minister Henry's call for intervention.

Lastly, we should set up adapted camps for displaced persons by providing the necessary infrastructure to house the thousands of additional persons who would leave those areas. You should know that there are already approximately 100,000 displaced persons in the metropolitan Port‑au‑Prince area. We should also prepare PNH quotas, which would be subjected to rigorous control, to support and, in a way, direct operations in those areas. Many people tell me that, as soon as images circulate showing that troops and support have arrived and that there's an imminent threat of physical intervention, negotiations should be started with certain leaders, who would then be prepared to negotiate.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Thank you very much for that.

I'm going to stay with the International Crisis Group. I'd like to get a better understanding about the gender-based violence and how Canada can help with regard to the gender-based violence we're seeing on the ground.

I would ask either Mr. Da Rin or Madam Segura for that.

10:10 a.m.

Consultant, Latin America and the Caribbean, International Crisis Group

Diego Da Rin

Thank you for your question.

To attract the support of the local population, the gangs normally try somehow to protect the population that was in their area. Over the past year, however, there was less and less consideration for the public during gang wars, especially in the unprecedented confrontations that occurred from May to July of this year. Members of the public, especially women, were gang raped in front of their families. Those acts were filmed and posted to social media to ensure a kind of control over the population in the areas of opposing gangs.

To address this problem, we need to control completely the areas that the police have been unable to enter for months, or even years, or at least to lower the high level of violence currently observed against women, men, girls and boys.

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Thank you very much.

Would any other witnesses like to speak to the gender-based violence that we're seeing in Haiti?

I know I only have a few moments left. Ms. Clesca, would you comment?

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sameer Zuberi

Please answer within 30 seconds.

10:15 a.m.

Journalist, Writer and Pro-Democracy Activist, Bureau de Suivi de l'Accord de Montana

Monique Clesca

I'd say that it is also a structural problem. I don't like the term, but gender-based violence is a problem in Haiti. It is a patriarchal society. We need much more work in terms of changing social norms to deal with gender-based violence. It is not a question of control of troops, etc. No.

Yes, the gangs have made the bodies of women war territory, but we have to be real and say that gender-based violence.... I can't say it's endemic in Haiti, but it is a huge social problem that needs a lot of work and a reformatting of the way we actually bring up our children.

This is a long-time investment, and Canada has been involved with that. We need more support.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sameer Zuberi

Thank you.

On that sombre note, we're going to conclude our testimony on Haiti.

Thank you to all of the witnesses. Thank you for being here in person, Madame Clesca and Mr. Brender. Thank you for participating by Zoom, Monsieur Jean, Mrs. Segura, Mr. Da Rin and Pastor Duré.

We are now going into a closed session. We ask those online to change your Zoom links as swiftly as possible.

Again, thank you to all of the witnesses for being here. Please watch the committee. We will likely be producing a statement on this issue, which we invite you to see if and when we produce it. Thank you so much.

[Proceedings continue in camera]