Having done this work now for 30 years, I think what we are clear about from the Tibetan side is that it's not either-or. This idea that you could pursue only the trade and not talk human rights or that you don't pursue the trade and then you can.... The key is that it's both. Especially in this moment when the world is realigning and is in this difficult position and all the countries together are in difficult positions when it comes to trade and tariffs and whatnot, this is the time to, I believe, push for both, because China needs the world too. China is the target of all these economic challenges that the world is facing. China's facing them too. There's an opportunity for like-minded nations to work together and not give up all this ground.
One of the things the Chinese government makes people, nations and governments believe is that either you say nothing or you say everything, and then we're not going to be friends. It's just not true. We must push for human rights. We must push for real action. We have to hold fast to these values while engaging with China, perhaps more now than ever before, because we can see how intent this regime is, especially under Xi Jinping's rule, to change the world order.