As I said, most of the LGBTQIA+ refugees we are discussing today are from Uganda. A big percentage are from Uganda. The reason why South Sudan and Kenya are appearing in this talk is that when they leave Uganda, they go to refugee camps in South Sudan and Kenya. There is that migration of LGBTQIA+ persons who have left their countries or Uganda and they go to Kenya and South Sudan because they can't be refugees in their own countries. That's why we're talking about them.
The situation there, as I've said, is bad because they're getting attacked every day. The police are checking people's phones, by the way. If they find you with any LGBTQIA+ stuff in your phone, you either sleep at the police barracks and go back home the next day after you've been beaten.... There are forced examinations, despite the fact that they are registered and allowed in that country. The police still check and say, “No, it's a sovereign country. We don't allow homosexuality here. Take your habit anywhere else.”
In Kenya, I was accused of being an agent of COVID-19. They said that LGBTQIA+ persons are agents of COVID-19. They said, “It's you people creating problems for us in the world. You are gay and you are bringing COVID-19 and other issues.” That's how it is in these camps.