Evidence of meeting #11 for International Trade in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ian Burney  Director General, Bilateral and Regional Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)
Gilles Gauthier  Director , Investment Trade Policy Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)
Marvin Hildebrand  Director, Bilateral Market Access Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Good afternoon, everyone.

We're here today to work on a study on a trade agreement between Canada and the Republic of South Korea.

We have as witnesses today from the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade: Ian Burney, director general, bilateral and regional trade policy; Marvin Hildebrand, director, bilateral market access division; Gilles Gauthier, director, investment trade policy division; and Pamela Simpson, deputy director, regional trade policy division.

We have as well, from the Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food, Denis Landreville, deputy director, regional and bilateral negotiations.

From the Department of Human Resources and Skills Development, we have Anthony Giles, director general, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada.

I recognize that's a lot of people for a short time. I'm not sure if we'll have three presentations today to start off, or just two, but if you do want to make a presentation, I'd ask you to keep it to five minutes if you can. Then we'll go directly to questions. We'll probably only get one round of questions from each party in the initial round of questions.

We'll start with Mr. Burney.

3:30 p.m.

Ian Burney Director General, Bilateral and Regional Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Actually, we're only going to be making one presentation. I brought a big group to help me with the tough questions, but we'll limit ourselves to the one presentation.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, on behalf of the whole delegation, in giving us this opportunity to speak to you about the Canada-Korea initiative, for which I lead Canada's negotiating team.

To set the stage for the discussion of the Korea negotiations, let me start with a little bit of context, picking up on Minister Emerson's comments to you from the committee hearing last week.

As the minister noted, and as was confirmed in the document Annual Report on Canada's State of Trade for 2006, which was released later in the week, Canada is actually in very good shape from an overall economic and trade perspective, with strong growth, record export levels, rising investment, and impressive job creation. However, as he also cautioned, these are not grounds for complacency, given the extent to which this performance is linked to inherently volatile commodity and energy prices, and given our relative trade performance beyond North America, particularly compared to some of our key competitors.

To sustain job growth and prosperity at home, we need to do more to reach out to the world and engage key commercial partners.

In terms of trade policy, Canada's efforts to break into international markets and find its place there are linked to three key areas: maintaining and increasing its access to the US market; participating in the WTO process; and implementing regional and bilateral initiatives.

I will not spend time on the first two areas because they have already been dealt with separately by this committee. I will point out however, that in the past, we have focused our attention almost exclusively on those two areas.

However, the situation is evolving, and it now apparent that we need to place specific emphasis on our bilateral program beyond North America, including initiatives such as a free-trade agreement with Korea.

Some of the main reasons are as follows: continued globalization of the world economy and the increased number of new and important economic players; the uncertainty surrounding the WTO negotiations; and especially, the rapid growth in activities by our trade partners to obtain preferential access to traditional and emerging markets on a bilateral basis.

So how is Canada doing on this front, the bilateral front? Well, apart from the NAFTA, Canada has trade agreements now with Israel, Chile, and most recently, Costa Rica. While we can look back with some satisfaction on those accomplishments, the reality is that we're no longer keeping pace. While Canada, as I mentioned, has four FTAs covering five countries, the U.S. has 12 FTAs covering 18 countries, and Mexico has 13 agreements covering 43 countries. And the vast majority of those deals were concluded in the last five years.

Australia too has been aggressive in pursuing free trade agreements, and even countries that have traditionally been averse to pursuing FTAs, like Korea and Japan, are now increasingly active in this area. So the hard truth is that Canada is the only significant trading nation that has not concluded a single FTA in more than five years. These agreements can and do have a significant impact on Canada's competitiveness in international markets.

Unless we can offer competitive access to global markets from Canada, we risk losing important export markets, putting our investors and service providers at a disadvantage, and over time making Canada a less attractive place for investment, whether foreign or domestic.

This is no academic concern, Mr. Chairman. We are hearing from Canadian companies right now that they are losing sales in foreign markets due to the FTAs of others, and there is a mounting concern that Canada needs to take urgent corrective action to level the playing field for our companies. So looking ahead, we'll continue to strengthen our NAFTA ties, and of course we'll continue to work to secure the successful outcome at the WTO, but at the same time, we have to put a much greater emphasis on our regional bilateral agenda, including initiatives like the free trade agreement initiative with Korea.

Beyond Korea, we have ongoing FTA negotiations with four Central American countries--El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua--which I understand the committee will be looking at next week. We also have an FTA going with the four countries of the European Free Trade Association--Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland--and with Singapore. Moving forward on our negotiating agenda and preparing to engage new partners will feature prominently in the government's trade policy in the coming months and years.

Let me now turn to the specifics of Korea--which is the focus of the committee's deliberation today--which we see as an opportunity not only for creating opportunities in Korea, but also from a strategic standpoint in providing an entrée for Canadian countries to the wider Asia-Pacific region.

With a population of 48 million and a GDP approaching $890 billion, Korea is the largest of the four Asian tigers. Following its rapid recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis, it has emerged as the world's 11th largest economy and 12th largest trading nation.

In short, this is the most ambitious FTA negotiation that Canada has entered into since the NAFTA was completed more than 10 years ago.

What we are seeking is a comprehensive, high-quality, NAFTA-style agreement. This includes chapters on trading goods, rules of origin, customs procedures, trade facilitation, services, investment, and so forth. Consistent with past practice, Canada is pursuing environmental and labour cooperation agreements in parallel with the free trade agreement. In the core areas of market access for goods, services, and investment, we are seeking comprehensive coverage and a high level of ambition in terms of liberalization commitments.

Given the concerns of our stakeholders, a particular area of emphasis in these negotiations continues to be on non-tariff barriers, such as regulatory and transparency issues. Fundamentally, this initiative is about enhancing opportunities for Canadian business. Korea is already our seventh largest export destination. Our exports last year reached an eight-year high of $2.8 billion. To put that into perspective, that is more than what we exported to Brazil, India, and Russia combined.

Korea is also becoming a major services market for Canada, with about $600 million in services exports in the last year for which we have statistics--2003. Two-way investment now stands at over $1 billion. So trade and investment flows are clearly strong and growing, but an FTA could do much more to generate business by dismantling the still significant tariff, regulatory, and other barriers to commerce that limit opportunities.

Korea continues to maintain relatively high tariffs--12% on average--versus only 3.9% for Canada. So the elimination of tariffs in an FTA would therefore generate substantial opportunities for Canada, and one could argue it would have a disproportionately favourable impact on Canada.

The Korean market is particularly important for the agriculture and resource-based segments of our economy, with an FTA expected to generate gains in areas such as agrifood, fisheries, metal, metal products, forestry and wood products, and coal and other minerals. In the agriculture sector alone, average Korean-applied tariffs are in the range of 53%, which is substantially higher than Canadian tariff levels. In the fisheries sector, average tariffs are 17% versus just over 1% for Canada.

However, I must emphasize that this initiative is not just about resources. We also expect gains in a variety of industrial sectors: chemicals; aerospace; urban transit; power generation; medical devices; cosmetics; prefab buildings; environmental goods; and machinery and equipment, to name a few.

As well, we believe there are opportunities in the service sectors of our economy, wherein 80% of new jobs are created today in Canada. Some examples include financial services, high tech, and environmental services.

A free trade agreement would also foster a safer and more foreseeable environment for Canadian investors in Korea and would in addition help to attract Korean investors to Canada. In turn, that would help to open up neighbouring markets to Canadian businesses, markets such as China and Japan. Indeed, intraregional trade is growing exponentially, and Korea could become a first-rate gateway.

As I indicated earlier, Canada's bilateral free-trade agreements program is also guided by the need to help Canadian businesses deal with competition on an even-playing field.

Korea is perhaps a newcomer in the world of free trade agreements. However, it has already signed agreements with Singapore, Chile, the European Free Trade Association and most of the members of the Association of South East Asian Nations.

Furthermore, Korea is currently in negotiations with Japan, Mexico and India, and I would like to draw the committee's attention to the recent launch of negotiations between Korea and the United States. Clearly, this raises the stakes for us and underlines the importance of maintaining Canada's competitiveness in the Korean market.

So where are we now?

Since launching the negotiations in July 2005, we've had five rounds of talks with Korea at roughly two-month intervals. The next is scheduled for the end of this month in Seoul. We've made good progress to this point, but are now increasingly bumping up against the key sensitivities on each side, which will prove more challenging as we go forward.

I should emphasize that contrary to some claims that the government is fast-tracking these negotiations, we are moving forward at a measured, deliberate pace. Before the government even launched negotiations, we conducted extensive analysis that included government-to-government exploratory talks, as well as comprehensive domestic consultations here in Canada. This consultative process, launched in January 2005, revealed significant and broad-based support for an FTA with Korea from a wide spectrum of economic sectors across the country.

Intensive consultations with stakeholders have been, and continue to be, of central importance to the government as we pursue this initiative. In terms of our timetable, we are not working to a fixed or arbitrary deadline. We are obviously conscious of Korea's other initiatives, but we will take the time necessary to achieve a good deal for Canada. The emphasis is on quality, not speed.

While we are making good progress, as Minister Emerson has indicated in the press, we still have work to do. It is work that will take time to conclude.

Let me now, before concluding, address head-on some of the issues that have been raised with respect to the automotive sector and the prospect for free trade with Korea.

Minister Emerson has repeatedly emphasized the government's recognition of the importance of the auto industry's contribution to the Canadian economy. Given that importance, we have established a dedicated automotive consultative group to support this negotiation. It meets regularly--in fact, most recently here in Ottawa last week--to ensure that industry views are well understood and reflected to the extent possible in our negotiations.

Indeed, the industry's views have played an important role in shaping our approach to this negotiation from the outset. For instance, Canada's auto sector is concerned about barriers to the Korean market, which is why the government has made addressing non-tariff measures a priority in these negotiations and why we created a separate working group dedicated exclusively to automotive issues within the Canada-Korea negotiating structure.

The industry also has concerns about the impact of tariff elimination in Canada on imports from Korea. We are, as I said, consulting closely with industry and are factoring its concerns into the specific positions we bring to the table.

I would add that our analysis suggests that any negative impact on the automotive sector from an FTA with Korea is likely to be very limited, reflecting a variety of factors. These include current trading patterns; the relatively small tariff level, which would decline further in the event of any successful outcome to the Doha negotiations; the fact that the vast majority--about 85%--of Canadian-made vehicles are exported to the United States; and the new Hyundai plant in Alabama, which is expected soon to be supplying vehicles duty free to Canada under the terms of the NAFTA.

While some have suggested that an FTA with Korea is undesirable because of our large deficit in bilateral automotive trade, our view is that it is not realistic to expect that Canada would have a positive trade balance with all countries or in all sectors with every given country.

The reality is that Canada has a significant global trading surplus in automotive products. However, our marketing focus is almost entirely in the United States, with which we had a $26 billion surplus in automotive trade last year. While it is true that our automotive exports to Korea are low, it should be noted that Canada is not a major exporter of motor vehicles to any offshore market. More than 99% of our automotive production is sold in the North American market.

The aim of an FTA is not to eliminate trade surpluses or deficits in specific sectors. It is to expand opportunities for bilateral trade and investment on both sides. With Korea, as I've indicated, we believe there are major opportunities for Canada. This includes the automotive sector, within which we think stronger investment rules and tariff elimination could significantly enhance opportunities for Canada's auto parts companies.

In closing Mr. Chair, free trade negotiations constitute an increasingly important tool for promoting Canada's trade interests throughout the world and for ensuring Canada's prosperity.

Our competitors are negotiating agreements at an unprecedented speed. Canada cannot simply stand by and do nothing. Of all the negotiations currently underway, none are as potentially advantageous as those with Korea.

The government remains determined to reach an agreement that allows the promotion of all Canadian interests in this market. To do that, we will continue to consult closely with all Canadian stakeholders.

With that, Mr. Chairman, my delegation and I would be pleased to take any comments or questions.

Thank you very much.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you very much, Mr. Burney, for the overview. I know you're going to have some tough questions today.

We'll start with the Liberals. Mr. Maloney is first.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

John Maloney Liberal Welland, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

You're right. The automotive industry is not very happy with the prospect of a free trade agreement with Korea, predominantly because of the non-tariff barriers. I heard what you said. But why are they lobbying so strongly against it, as is the Canadian Auto Workers?

Certainly with the Canadian automotive industry under stress, this is of real concern for Canadian workers. You've indicated that you're addressing non-tariff barrier measures. Could you elaborate on what you mean by that?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Bilateral and Regional Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

Ian Burney

Absolutely. Thank you for the question. As to why the industry is opposing the measure, I understand there are going to be witnesses at the next session. That's probably a better question to put to them.

Non-tariff barriers are what the industry has brought to us as being their principle concern with this initiative. They've focused on the lack of access to the Korean market in their presentations to us. We've made it very clear to them that it is a priority also for us in pursuing this initiative. We've basically asked that they come forward and share with us every specific example they can think of in terms of pursuing non-tariff barriers in the Korean market. That's primarily what we're trying to do through this consultative group that I mentioned in my opening remarks.

They tend to fall into many different categories. Non-tariff measures can be a pretty expansive concept when you get down to it. The industry is concerned about taxation measures in Korea, which are focused on engine displacement, and therefore tend to have a somewhat discriminatory impact in terms of imports. But there are also a lot of concerns about the regulatory process in Korea.

What we're trying to do through this negotiation is find a way to open that process up to make sure that foreign companies can participate in the regulatory process before the decisions are actually taken. It's clear that standards can become significant impediments to commerce. This is the focus of the consultations we're having with industry. We've indicated, and I can confirm again today, that every single measure that's brought to our attention we're prepared to take on and take up with the Koreans and, as appropriate, pursue in the context of the FTA.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

John Maloney Liberal Welland, ON

Are you prepared not to proceed with this agreement until you reach assurances that those non-tariff barriers in fact will be eliminated, not just proposed or a possibility, but in fact eliminated? Or can you guarantee that?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Bilateral and Regional Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

Ian Burney

Ultimately the decision on whether or not the agreement is accepted would be taken at a political level. My responsibilities are to negotiate the best agreement I can. Yes, I wouldn't close an agreement that I didn't think was in the best interests of this country and one that I didn't think was worth bringing back for ministers to consider. As I've indicated, we think tackling non-tariff measures in Korea is an important objective and we're actively pursuing it in negotiation.

I should mention that apart from specific measures—because the industry is also concerned that whatever you negotiate today could be replaced by different measures tomorrow—arguably what's more important is to build into the FTA appropriate mechanisms that you have going forward for being able to address these measures, something that basically holds officials' feet to the fire, so that every time a measure comes up, you've got a mechanism for pursuing them. I think that would also be an important outcome in the agreement.

All I can tell you from the standpoint of a negotiator is that my team and I are putting a very high priority on addressing non-tariff measures in this. But whether it's ultimately signed will be a political call made by the government.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

John Maloney Liberal Welland, ON

I understand the U.S. has negotiated an agreement with Korea with respect to auto parts. Do you think there may be a really good prospect that our auto parts exports to Korea would increase? I understand that hasn't been the case in the United States. Could you explain or provide more information on that?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Bilateral and Regional Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

Ian Burney

We actually have auto parts companies that are investing and pursuing strategic partnerships in the Korean market. Right now Korea has an 8% tariff on automotive parts, and that applies to U.S. parts as well because the U.S. does not have a free trade agreement with Korea right now, so U.S. parts makers are also facing that tariff.

Our hope and expectation is that as the 8% tariff comes down, as it would in the context of an FTA, that would strengthen the ability of Canadian parts companies to sell into that market. We're already seeing quite a bit of an interest from the Canadian parts companies in terms of forming investment and joint ventures in the Korean market. So we definitely see that as a growth opportunity.

I think the U.S. agreements that you alluded to earlier were the MOUs they concluded awhile back, but they were not trade liberalization agreements. There was no provision on tariff reduction. Under an FTA with Canada, Korea would be obliged to eliminate its 8% tariff on parts.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

John Maloney Liberal Welland, ON

We've been talking about the automotive industry. Are there also concerns with respect to other commodities as well, such as electrical components and things like that? There's certainly a huge trade imbalance. Why will this not get worse?

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Bilateral and Regional Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

Ian Burney

During the consultative process I alluded to, we did receive something in the order of about 100 submissions. I would say that the opposition came from the automotive sector and to some extent from the shipbuilding sector. We had broad-based support from virtually every other area of the economy. There were some concerns from the beef sector--you'll be hearing from them later this afternoon--but my understanding is that this is not linked specifically to the FTA issue itself but to a lack of access they continue to have in the Korean market by virtue of the BSE issue.

If you're asking me what the other concerns were on the part of stakeholders in Canada, the primary ones were autos and ships, and there was broad-based support from virtually every other quarter of the economy.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

John Maloney Liberal Welland, ON

Regarding shipbuilding, we're just hanging on by the fingernails to our own shipbuilding industry. What are your thoughts on this? Would this be the end, the coup de grâce, to our shipbuilding industry, which provides a lot of jobs here in Canada for Canadians?

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Bilateral and Regional Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

Ian Burney

That is again a very good question. There's no doubt there are concerns on the part of the shipbuilding industry. My sense is that their primary concern is not the free trade negotiations with Korea. I think the challenges facing that sector are much broader than any one trade negotiation. Clearly, there are concerns about dismantling the tariff, which is still significant in that sector.

When you look at Korea, it's obviously a major player in the global shipping industry. There's no doubt. Korea tends to be at a segment of the market that is very different from where the Canadian industry is. Korea produces the really huge stuff--the drill ships, the supertankers, the very, very large ocean-going ships--which are by and large not what we produce in Canada. We're producing tugs and inshore vessels, considerably smaller vessels that are not directly facing competition from Korea.

There are I think greater concerns on the part of the Canadian industry and on the part of some of the other countries around the world, but I don't think Korea is the focus of their anxiety. As I said, I think their concerns are broader in focus. The shipbuilding policy framework that's in place has been trying to work with the broader competitive challenges facing the industry, and I think those kinds of issues are of greater concern to the industry. Those, though, go beyond the mandate of my responsibilities; they lie with the Department of Industry and with Minister Bernier.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you, Mr. Maloney.

Next is Monsieur Paquette, for seven minutes.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Pierre Paquette Bloc Joliette, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

In your document, you say that the purpose of an FTA is not to eliminate trade surpluses or deficits in certain industries, but rather to increase bilateral trade and investment opportunities for both parties.

If we balanced trade in all industries so that, for example, there is as much Korean rice in Canada as Canadian rice in Korea, that would make no sense. However, we must ensure that within the framework of a free trade agreement, the spin-offs are as great for Canada as for the other country involved. When we negotiate a free trade agreement, we are securing access to markets. In fact, NAFTA was one of the main reasons why Canada wanted to negotiate.

In the case of Korea, things are not so clear, given the trade that is going on. We essentially export agricultural products, minerals, metals and wood pulp. Those are the raw materials needed by Korean manufacturers. So, we're not securing anything, because Koreans need those products. Given the growth in China, they are even more eager to ensure access to those raw materials.

However, they export vehicles, automobile parts, electrical devices, computers, rubber and steel. So it seems to me that in the context of an agreement with Korea, what we're securing is access for Korean products to the Canadian market rather than the opposite.

I still do not understand why Korea has suddenly become a target of choice for negotiating a free trade agreement, unless, as you said, it will lead to other agreements with Japan, China and countries of Southeast Asia.

In that context, I understand even less why, at the APEC meeting in Santiago in 2004-2005, Canada rejected the recommendation that had been made to enter into negotiations with the economic community of countries from the Asia-Pacific region. I still do not understand why Korea rather than another country.

The shipyard matter was broached, but you did not talk about it in your presentation. So, I would like to know in very concrete terms where the negotiations are at.

Finally, you spoke obviously about investment and business opportunities. I would want to make sure that within the framework of this free trade agreement, we would not end up with a mechanism like the one in the North American free trade agreement that this committee denounced on a number of occasions. I am referring to the mechanism set out in chapter 11 regarding the protection of investments.

We are in favour of the protection of foreign investment here and the protection of Canadian investment abroad. However, we believe that the mechanism set out in NAFTA is excessive because it gives companies the possibility of bringing States before special groups. We prefer the OECD mechanism.

So with regard to the protection of foreign investment, what formula are you considering, if indeed that is the case?

3:55 p.m.

Director General, Bilateral and Regional Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

Ian Burney

Thank you for your questions. I will ask my colleague, Gilles Gauthier, to answer the third one which deals with negotiations about investments.

Why Korea? I tried to answer this question in my presentation. Clearly, Korea is one of Canada's major partners, it ranks seventh as far as trade is concerned.

We think that this market holds many opportunities for expanding our exports. Certainly, this is important for agriculture and resources. These are very important sectors in Canada and they benefit from a high degree of protection in Korea. There might be very substantial advantages for Canadian farmers. Also, as I said in my presentation, we believe that there might be great opportunities in the industrial sectors, where Korea has tariffs twice as high as Canada's.

We received many bids from Canadian companies who want to support this initiative and who think that a free trade agreement with Korea would offer many opportunities. Both strategically and bilaterally, it is important for the promotion of Canada's interests in other Asian countries. Also, it is important to demonstrate that Canada is ready to enter into a free trade agreement. We entered into one five years ago.

Thus, for all these reasons, we think that it is important to reach this agreement.

Your second question dealt with shipyards, did it not?

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Pierre Paquette Bloc Joliette, QC

Yes. The Lévis-Lauzon shipyard can build the same kind of ships that the Koreans build. It was bought recently by some Norwegians, if I remember correctly. I hope that they are also taking part in the consultations you are holding.

3:55 p.m.

Director General, Bilateral and Regional Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

Ian Burney

I think that I just explained our point of view regarding shipbuilding. In our consultations, the representatives of the industry said that they were much more worried and concerned with the negotiations with Norway, which is a member of the European Free Trade Association, than with the negotiations with Korea. They want to discuss with government representatives about the possibility of a new political framework.

With your permission, I will continue in English. It will be easier for me because I will be using some rather technical terms.

The challenges, as I was saying in response to the earlier question, are I think much larger than the question of trade liberalization. We've seen a sector in Canada under considerable pressure for many years, even with the 25% tariff. I think the industry understands that.

In the context of the trade negotiation, certainly we are aware of the sensitivities, and we would be trying to accommodate those sensitivities in how we approach specific provisions in the agreement. Certainly in areas that are sensitive for Canada we would not be looking for an immediate phase-out of the tariff. We would be looking for a fairly long transition period to facilitate the entry into force of that agreement.

The other important point to note is that one of the most important aspects for the industry has been procurement decisions by governments in Canada. We will do nothing in the free trade agreement to compromise the ability of governments in Canada to procure made-in-Canada ships should they wish. We exempt shipbuilding from the procurement obligations that we take in our trade agreements, and that would remain in place.

Canada also has the Coasting Trade Act that puts certain restrictions on the kinds of ships that can ship in inland waters in Canada, and we would fully reserve that legislation in the context of the free trade agreement. We would do nothing to compromise that legislation.

My sense is that the concerns from that sector can be managed in the context of the negotiations with Korea.

Now I would like to give the floor to Gilles Gauthier so that he can answer your third question.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

And a very short answer, please. His time is up, so if you could, make it a short answer, Mr. Gauthier.

4 p.m.

Gilles Gauthier Director , Investment Trade Policy Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (International Trade)

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In brief, setting up a dispute resolution mechanism between the investor and the state is an important issue in all investment agreements around the world. Korea has provided such mechanisms in all the bilateral agreements it has signed. The same applies to Canada.

We also intend to consider including such a mechanism in the agreement with Korea. However, we can easily refer to our experience with NAFTA. Some amendments were made in order to reassure people regarding the transparency of the procedures and their impact on regulations. In this way, the interpretation of the agreement does not go beyond normal standards and does not interfere with the usual regulatory process. These opinions, gleaned from our experience with NAFTA, will be included in the proposals regarding the mechanism between investors and the state.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you.

We go to the government side. We'll start with Ms. Guergis, and then we'll go to Jeff Watson.

I understand you want to ask all the questions, then have them all responded to at once, so we'll do that.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Helena Guergis Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

For her or for me?

4 p.m.

Conservative

Helena Guergis Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

For both of us.

I'm going to ask quickly, and then my colleague will ask, and then we'll wait for the answers.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

I'd rather have an interchange, I guess, but....