Evidence of meeting #36 for International Trade in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
No, Mr. Julian, I have ruled on this. I believe you've gone to a vote on the ruling already. It was upheld by the committee. Let's move ahead.
You're taking your time now; the clock is going.
You have an amendment you would like to move, NDP-3. If you would like to do that, go ahead, Mr. Julian. If you don't want to, that's fine, we can move on to the next one.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
Mr. Chair, I'd be delighted to move the amendment, believe me.
I'm not delighted with the rules of order that you're imposing on us, to say the least.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
It's the will of the committee, Mr. Julian, and you understand that very clearly.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
I disagree profoundly, Mr. Chair, and will be expressing that throughout the day.
This is no little clause, when we talk about clause 6, because in effect this is a clause that fundamentally changes how we talk about arm's-length dealing. As a result, I would like to move that the committee limit of three minutes for debate on this clause be waived for clause 6.
That's a motion that is in order, Mr. Chair.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
Of course, Mr. Julian, you've moved your amendment already. You can't make a subamendment to your own amendment.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
I did not move the amendment, Mr. Chair. If you check the blues, I did not move the amendment. I did speak to the importance of clause 6, which was a preamble for the motion.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
Mr. Julian, if you're not speaking to your amendment, then we'll get on to someone who—
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
Mr. Chair, the motion to waive the three-minute time limit is perfectly in order, as the head table knows.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
Mr. Julian, what exactly is your motion? Please simply state that again.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
That for the consideration of clause 6, we waive the three-minute time limit.
Conservative
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
Then the ruling of the chair is that in fact there is no unanimous consent. Let's go on. It would require unanimous consent, I believe, to have—
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
Do you want to move your motion, Mr. Julian? We're getting on to that now.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
It is a motion de fond. It has been submitted. It is now time to debate that motion. The motion is, for the requirements and discussion around clause 6, to waive the three-minute time limit. It is a perfectly valid motion, as the head table can attest.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
No, Mr. Julian. In fact, the committee has ruled on this issue. We have limited debate to three minutes. If the committee wishes to extend, I believe it would require unanimous consent. Certainly, that was not the intent of the committee.
Mr. Julian, you are now either going to move your motion or we'll go to the vote on clause 6. It's entirely up to you. The clock is ticking here.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
The head table can rule that this motion is in order, and you know that this motion is in order. So rather than spending this time with verbal jousting, why don't you simply allow me to then speak to the motion to waive that time limit, the three minutes, for the consideration of clause 6?
Conservative
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
I have not moved the amendment yet, Mr. Chair. I have moved the motion. I am asking for the head table—
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
Mr. Julian, you are testing the patience of the chair. You will move your amendment and debate it or we will assume that you do not wish to move that amendment. One or the other. The time is ticking here, Mr. Julian.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
Mr. Chair, the head table should be providing a ruling on this.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit
Mr. Julian, as I've said, in terms of the issue of your motion, there are two ways that that motion can carry forward. The committee has made its intentions very clear here—three minutes' debate on a motion. There are two ways: unanimous consent or the committee can rescind. There is no indication that either is going to happen. So, please, Mr. Julian, go to your amendment or we will vote on the motion and you will not have spoken to your amendment. Are you going to move your amendment, NDP-3?
NDP