Evidence of meeting #62 for International Trade in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was spp.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Alain Beaudoin  Executive Director, Innovation Partnerships Branch, Department of Industry
William Crosbie  Director General, North America Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Peter Fawcett  Deputy Director, United States Relations Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Gordon Laxer  Director, Parkland Institute

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Excuse me, Mr. Laxer. I don't very often interrupt someone making a presentation, but could you connect your presentation with the topic today, which is the study of Canada–U.S. trade and investment issues and the security and prosperity partnership? As long as the connection is made, that's fine.

12:10 p.m.

Director, Parkland Institute

Dr. Gordon Laxer

I'm talking about security for Canadians. We're talking about a security partnership. Are Canadians part of security? I'm talking about security for Canadians. Is that not relevant?

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

A point of order, Mr. Chairman.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Just a minute, Mr. Julian.

You still haven't, in my judgment, made a connection to the topic today, which is the security and prosperity partnership of North America. We're not talking about energy security as such. So if you could make that connection as soon as you can in your presentation, Mr. Laxer, I'd appreciate that.

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

A point of order, Mr. Chairman.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Yes, Mr. Julian, I heard you. If you'd be a bit patient, please, I'd acknowledge you.

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

He's making a very direct connection. Please don't interrupt him.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Julian, wait until I'm finished, please. I was just pointing out, Mr. Julian, that I had recognized that you had a point of order, and I was making a statement. I was just asking you to wait until I completed that statement. Now you may go ahead with your point of order.

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Please allow the witness to continue, Mr. Chair.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

I don't think that's a point of order, Mr. Julian.

12:10 p.m.

Director, Parkland Institute

Dr. Gordon Laxer

I'm talking about security of energy supply for Canadians. If we're talking about security, then I think that's relevant.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Laxer, if you are here to discuss the energy security of Canadians, then you are off topic of the study.

12:10 p.m.

Director, Parkland Institute

Dr. Gordon Laxer

I don't see that.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We are here specifically to talk about the security and prosperity partnership of North America.

12:10 p.m.

Director, Parkland Institute

Dr. Gordon Laxer

Isn't it part of North America?

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Laxer, please wait until I'm finished.

12:10 p.m.

Director, Parkland Institute

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

If you make a connection to that, then I'm delighted to hear your comments, Mr. Laxer, but if you're here to talk about energy security as a general topic, without making that connection, then you're off topic for today. So I would respectfully just ask you to make your presentation on topic.

12:10 p.m.

Director, Parkland Institute

Dr. Gordon Laxer

I'm talking about energy security for Canadians, and I think we're part of North America.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

I'll let you go ahead, Mr. Laxer, and I'll judge whether I think you make the connection to the topic of today or not.

Go ahead, please.

12:10 p.m.

Director, Parkland Institute

Dr. Gordon Laxer

Canada does not have a strategic petroleum reserve. Norway doesn't have one either, but it doesn't need one because it supplies its own citizens sensibly before it exports surpluses.

Western Canada can't supply all of eastern Canadian needs because NAFTA reserves Canadian oil for American security of supply. Canada now exports 63% of our oil and 56% of our natural gas. Those shares are currently locked in place by NAFTA's proportionality clause, which requires us not to reduce recent export proportions. Mexico refused proportionality; it applies only to Canada.

As well, we don't have the east-west pipelines to fully meet eastern needs. Instead, five export pipelines are planned.

Although we have more than enough oil to meet Canadian needs, Canada is the most exposed of all IEA members. Meanwhile, the United States is doubling its petroleum reserve.

Nor does Canada have a natural gas plan. At last summer's G-8 meetings, Canada began negotiations to send Russian gas to Quebec. It's very risky; Russia recently cut gas exports to Ukraine and Byelorussia for political reasons.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Laxer, I'm going to cut off your presentation. I certainly welcome your answering questions, as long as they're on topic.

You have a point of order, Mr. André? Go ahead.

12:15 p.m.

Bloc

Guy André Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Laxer is talking about oil as a source of energy. One of the priorities of the North American Security and Prosperity Partnership is energy security. He started giving us some explanations about the accessibility of oil reserves. I think energy security is related to the theme of the North American Security and Prosperity Partnership, Mr. Chairman. I think Mr. Laxer is really talking about the subject on our agenda today. If you are not interested in that, Mr. Chairman, you can forget that.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. André, I've considered that. We are not here today to discuss energy security as such. We are here to discuss North American or Canada-U.S. trade and investment issues and the security and prosperity partnership of North America. The witness, even after I've given him an opportunity to do so, has not made the connection between his topic and, specifically, the security and prosperity partnership of North America.

12:15 p.m.

Bloc

Guy André Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

But one of the priorities is energy security, Mr. Chairman.