Mr. André, the proposals put out by the United States and by the European Union regarding subsidies are interesting in terms of the numbers, but there is a lot of water in the numbers they're starting from, because the base is very high. There is some question as to whether or not they would even have to reduce their support. The European Union has undertaken a CAP reform under which they decoupled their support, and they would do more of it as they go through their reform. But it's our view that the decoupling has not made their support less production-distorting or trade-distorting. In fact, we feel they'll still have to continue dairy export subsidies beyond 2013, because they just can't get rid of what they're producing.
The United States has indicated that they're going to move more and more of their support into the blue box, but they want to move counter-cyclical payments into the blue box, which are trade-distorting. They want to put caps on them, but the caps are meaningless.
I think the more important issue in agricultural support and agricultural subsidies is defining the subsidies and doing a realistic analysis of what is distorting. We haven't done that yet. We're doing one paper, which we'll be releasing at the end of the week, on decoupling, and another one, probably early in July, about the state of play of negotiations after this ministerial, if it happens, to show how far short we are of where we need things to be for Canada.
The problem we have is that if we don't sort that out, we're going to have to support our own farmers at the grains and oilseeds level for $4 billion or $5 billion a year.