Okay, that's fine.
I wouldn't say that SPP in itself has been detrimental to the border. I think the process, obviously, has not been able to stem the roller coaster that the U.S. has been on in terms of security measures. I think it's a case that SPP lost its focus, whether that's because it took on other things as well.... I think even on the border we were too preoccupied with notions of perimeter at a time when there was no appetite in the U.S. for the perimeter. We needed to be spending more time dealing with the nuts and bolts of what actually happens at the border. We lost that focus and moved into more philosophical types of discussions at 60,000 feet, which are important, but really weren't what SPP was set up to do in the first place.