When I was describing these countries, my point was that to just slap the label of “protectionist” or “populist” on them is too simplistic. They're not purely protectionist. They are in favour of trade, they're in favour of investment, they're outward looking—less so, perhaps, than the countries we're talking about here—but I don't think it's either/or and that one is protectionist and one is not protectionist. I think there are all kinds of shades and we need to understand that better, and not just assume that we can't talk to them because we see them as being more on the left.
On April 15th, 2013. See this statement in context.