Generally, the talks have stalled by the sounds of it, and that's a huge problem.
I see that Jerry is nodding.
This is bottom line. This goes away if NAFTA is done. They've made that very clear in the U.S. I know that in Canada we keep saying they're not tied. They're tied in the eyes of the U.S., and that's all that matters. We need to figure out the path forward, whatever that path is, because the consequences for the economy are too great.
Where are they right now? I don't really know exactly where they are but they certainly have been delayed from where we had hoped they would be by now; that's for sure. That's not pointing the finger at Canadian negotiators. That's just the reality of the situation.