Evidence of meeting #125 for International Trade in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was industry.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chris Wharin  Director of Administration, Bohne Spring Industries Ltd.
Harrison Wilson  Vice-President, Ocean Steel and Construction Ltd.
Jean Simard  President and Chief Executive Officer, Aluminium Association of Canada
Gagan Sikand  Mississauga—Streetsville, Lib.
Gian Paolo Vescio  Director, External Affairs and Internal Counsel, Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association
Mark VanderVeen  President, Niagara Piston, Vineland Manufacturing and Maple Manufacturing, Court Holdings Manufacturing Limited

12:15 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aluminium Association of Canada

Jean Simard

I guess what you're referring to is what we call the Midwest premium.

Basically, Mr. Chair, the price of aluminum in a market like North America is related to two notions. One is the world price of the commodity that is set at the London Metal Exchange, the LME, on a daily basis. It's a commodity price for all the world.

Depending on which region you're sourcing your metal from—North America, for example—you pay an additional cost, a regional premium, which is basically the logistical cost of bringing in the metal to the customer at a given point in time. It factors in a whole series of things: the ocean cost, the transborder cost, the payload cost and the duty cost.

The Midwest premium is not something that anybody controls. It's a market arbitrage that is done through documenting the most recent sales on the market, and it's handled by a group called Platts Aluminum in the U.S. They survey the deals that have been made through the day and they publish the last price paid. That's how the market adjusts on the regional demand on an ongoing basis. We don't have anything to do with that. It just happens.

12:15 p.m.

Mississauga—Streetsville, Lib.

12:15 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aluminium Association of Canada

Jean Simard

It factored in the duty before the duty kicked in. Those who benefited the most between all of us are U.S. producers who were not affected by the duty but took it in at the same time.

12:15 p.m.

Mississauga—Streetsville, Lib.

Gagan Sikand

I have one last quick question.

The AAC had a meeting in June. Could you tell us what was discussed?

12:15 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aluminium Association of Canada

Jean Simard

The Montreal summit in June was a meeting of board members from the European, Canadian, Japanese, and U.S. aluminum industries with government representatives in order to set out a working plan, a road map, to address the problem of overcapacity in aluminum. We handed that work plan to the G7 summit members. They factored it into their analysis and came out with a recommendation at the end of the G7, which is now finding its way through the OECD toward the next G20.

As an industry, we spearheaded this undertaking two years ago to try to find a way to access a multinational, multilateral platform to bring China and all other countries together to address the problem of overcapacity.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Thank you, sir, and thank you, Mr. Sikand.

That wraps up our first half. Witnesses, thank you very much for taking time from your busy schedules to join us. You represent not only your companies but also employees and families who rely on your industry.

We'll suspend for two minutes to bring in our next set of witnesses.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Welcome to the second half of today's meeting on the study of impacts of tariffs on Canadian businesses, companies and workers.

Witnesses, thank you for joining us. We're sorry for the delay. We had a vote in the House, and that changes things.

We definitely want to hear your perspective on these tariffs, so without further ado, we will hear from Mr. Vescio from the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association?

October 23rd, 2018 / 12:20 p.m.

Gian Paolo Vescio Director, External Affairs and Internal Counsel, Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association

Thank you.

My name is Gian Paolo Vescio. I'm the Director of External Affairs and Internal Counsel at the APMA. The APMA represents over 280 companies, 95% of the independent parts production in Canada, which amounts to about 96,000 employees in Canada, over 42,000 in the U.S. and over 43,000 in Mexico. We're here to discuss the impact of tariffs with respect to steel and aluminum, and provide a slight update of our comments now that the NAFTA negotiations have concluded with the USMCA.

As previously discussed by my president, the power to levy section 232 tariffs on steel and aluminum derived from the U.S. Trade Expansion Act of 1962 through which Congress granted the President the power to impose tariffs for national security reasons. The definition of national security is markedly wider under this act than others, but once set in motion by the President, the U.S. commerce department initiates an investigation which includes public consultation, and subsequently provides the President a report with recommendations on whether the threat is accurate and if tariffs should be levied.

Congress has the power to repeal if it disagrees with the President, but perhaps this current Congress doesn't seem to desire to do so with respect to some of the President's initiatives. That being said, we are closely monitoring the election which has the potential of flipping the House to not the President's party, and there may be political will to repeal some of the President's initiatives, including the section 232 tariffs.

The implementation and the usage of the tariffs are challengeable in international trade court, and U.S. commercial entities are able to seek injunctive relief in U.S. district courts. However, the test is quite high.

The courts have been reluctant to limit the powers conferred to the President. However, since the implementation of the tariffs on July 1, there have been a number of challenges to section 232 tariffs. Most notably, the American Institute for International Steel, which is currently challenging its constitutionality, was successful in a motion to have the matter heard before a panel of three judges as opposed to one. This is only important because there is an American legal belief that decisions by three judges are directly appealable to the Supreme Court of the United States, which simply means that it could expedite the decision on section 232 tariffs within the U.S. legal framework.

As previously noted, steel and aluminum are critical ingredients, the most valuable mechanical structural parts of a car. Stainless steel and other specialty steels used in automotive tooling are not available in Canada at the required quantities, and Canadian parts production buys both Canadian and U.S. steel. Canada is not a threat to American steel or steel interests.

However, we understand that both the tariffs and the countermeasures employed by Canada, as a result, are being felt on both sides. Though Canada has taken positive steps toward relief with respect to the steel consumers who are directly affected through the tariffs, we understand that this is not a sustainable long-term solution.

The Department of Finance has allowed any firm importing any of the metals with the HS codes listed in the schedules of the remission order which are having to pay the tariff to be eligible for a drawback. While it's a positive reprieve from the countermeasures, the tariff is still paid out of pocket. If you are a medium or a large company, you may be able to shoulder the cost until returned to you, but smaller, leaner firms may run into cash planning issues as they may not be financed to wait for the drawbacks.

Furthermore, though the drawback system works well for short supply situations, the Department of Finance hasn't addressed how the drawbacks will work with respect to contractual obligations. Our members are interested to hear the decision on that matter.

Though the countermeasures by our government, we believe, were necessary, we continue to urge the Canadian negotiating team to maintain their resolve and pressure in trying to reach a sustainable trade regime on steel and aluminum. Obviously, not having the steel and aluminum matters dealt with within the USMCA was not ideal, but it is worth repeating that when dealing with unconventional parties using unconventional negotiating tactics, the road to resolution can often be unconventional.

We believe that steel and aluminum section 232 tariffs cannot be looked at within a vacuum, and we believe there are a number of factors that will affect the resolution. There are currently cases making their way through the U.S. courts. The mid-term elections may affect section 232 tariff impositions, but also the ratification process of the USMCA, and the ability of Canada's team to accurately display to our American friends that the path to prosperity is through collaboration and not isolation. It's kind of like what was done with autos.

This past week, the USTR requested Congress for a TPA, a trade promotion authority, which is a request to Congress to allow it to begin official trade talks with other nations. The USTR has requested a TPA for the European Union, Japan and the United Kingdom. It's important to note that Germany and Japan are jurisdictions with major steel and aluminum regions, and they are dealing with the tariffs as we are, along with their own local challenges.

It should be noted that if Congress votes to give them the TPA, once those discussions ramp up, it could have implications on how the matter is dealt with here. The APMA is keen on seeing this resolution take place.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Thank you, Mr. Vescio.

We're going to move over to Mr. VanderVeen from Court Holdings Limited.

My being from Dutch origin, I think that sounds like a Dutch name.

12:30 p.m.

Mark VanderVeen President, Niagara Piston, Vineland Manufacturing and Maple Manufacturing, Court Holdings Manufacturing Limited

It sure is.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Well, as you drove up Wellington Street, you probably saw all the Dutch flags.

12:30 p.m.

President, Niagara Piston, Vineland Manufacturing and Maple Manufacturing, Court Holdings Manufacturing Limited

Mark VanderVeen

I saw them.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

It's a big day Thursday.

12:30 p.m.

President, Niagara Piston, Vineland Manufacturing and Maple Manufacturing, Court Holdings Manufacturing Limited

Mark VanderVeen

Oh, that's why. I thought they were out for a reason.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

We put the flags out for you.

12:30 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Anyway, without further ado, sir, you have the floor.

12:30 p.m.

President, Niagara Piston, Vineland Manufacturing and Maple Manufacturing, Court Holdings Manufacturing Limited

Mark VanderVeen

Thank you and good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, honoured members of the committee, those in support and fellow guests.

I'd like to relay on behalf of myself, the shareholders and all our employees a high level of gratitude for the opportunity to speak to this committee.

I'm here representing Court Holdings Limited. We are a family company that will be celebrating 100 years in business next year. We operate in 14 different countries around the world. Our main focus is in two areas: providing mechanical and technical services to international steel companies, and the manufacturing of automotive and railway parts for the North American market. Each one of our companies operates as a small business employing between 12 to 100 employees. In the Niagara region alone, we have approximately 500 employees in manufacturing jobs.

In our manufacturing business, we export 90% of our products into the United States. In the past, we have freely moved components and raw materials across the U.S. border to provide goods and services to our customers. Over the past 18 months, what had been normal is now abnormal. Today I'll speak about two examples. First is the impact of the U.S. section 232 steel tariffs, as well as the Canadian reciprocal tariffs, on our plant in Vineland, Ontario.

At Vineland Manufacturing Ltd., we manufacture steel air reservoirs for the braking systems on railway cars and locomotives, and that's for the North American rail industry. We source a very specific grade of steel from the U.S., one that was not available in Canada until recently, and that's now being ramped up at Algoma steel. Since the trade confrontations escalated, we have seen the price of our steel increase over 28% since January 1. This is absent of the tariffs. This in itself has created significant hardships because we have long-term agreements with our customers, and material pass-throughs are terms that make our relationships with our customers extremely strained. They will not give us the pass-throughs that we're asking for.

In conjunction with this price increase, we're now dealing with an additional 25% uptick in the form of tariffs. Although there is a process for drawbacks, the administration is time-consuming, and it ties up a significant portion of our working capital. The process is also expensive. It's costing us up to 5% of the total cost.

The next cost impact is in the area of consumables. As the steel price increases, so does the cost of our metal components and welding wire. This, all told, has taken a Canadian company and its team from tight margins, but very successful, to one that struggles to come close to the break-even point.

The cost increases are not controlled by the dedicated team on the ground at Vineland, but by external forces. They are controlled first by the U.S. administration and second by our government's counteractions, reducing profitability and strangling cash flow.

My second example is maybe a bit redundant now, but I'd like to go through it. It's the potential of the auto tariffs and how they will impact us.

At Niagara Piston Inc., we supply braking components to the North American market. Again, over 90% are supplied to the U.S. If tariffs are imposed, and there's still a possibility of that, the following sequence of events will occur.

As the U.S. tariffs are not applied to Canadian suppliers such as us, they will be imposed upstream to our U.S. customers. The North American automotive manufacturers have messaged very strongly that they will not pay for these tariffs, nor will the tier one suppliers, and they will push them back down into the supply base. As a tier two supplier, we cannot bear the impact of these as there is no means of drawback from the U.S. tariffs. As a business that operates at razor-thin margins, we cannot absorb these additional costs. We will either run at significant losses, or we'll be forced to shut down production and operations until there is a resolution. Both options come at a significant cost to our company and to the livelihood of our employees. Neither of these courses is tenable.

The result is that, in most cases, there are very few sources for products, so the North American auto industry would quickly run out of parts and would come to a complete shutdown. We are only one of hundreds of suppliers in the same situation.

The possible imposition of these tariffs is ill-conceived, and we hope that through the ratification of the USMCA this issue will be behind us.

How has this impacted our company?

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Are you going to wrap up, sir?

12:35 p.m.

President, Niagara Piston, Vineland Manufacturing and Maple Manufacturing, Court Holdings Manufacturing Limited

Mark VanderVeen

Yes, I'm concluding right now.

First, it's taken our teams away from their real focus, which is engaging themselves in innovation and technological advance. Second, it's strained long-standing relationships with customers. Third, it's reduced income profitability and constrained working capital. Capital investment projects have been shelved, deferred or even outright cancelled.

Please understand this. We are supportive of the actions and most of the negotiating strategies taken by our government in the trade battle. It is our intent today to provide transparency that these actions and battles do come at a cost, and that cost is right down to the grassroots in this country.

We strongly endorse and encourage our government to move forward and provide us with the ability to do business on a level playing field with the rest of the world, work diligently to eliminate all obstacles in the form of tariffs.

In conclusion, I've been in this business for many years. I've travelled to many different nations. I always come back to the fact that we, as Canadians, not only can compete on a global basis, but have proven that we can be world leaders. Drop the barriers and let us do what we do best.

Thank you very much for your time.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Thank you, sir. You're well spoken.

We're doing well in catching up on time. I think we have time for one full round.

Without further ado, I think Mr. Hoback and Mr. Carrie are going to start.

Go ahead, sir.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Mr. Vescio, I'm going to read a quote. I think you know this guy, Flavio Volpe. He said,”If I wanted to be absolutely sure that I could access 17 million annual U.S. car buyers, Canada is a safe bet, Mexico is now a safe bet. But the only guarantee is the U.S.” This uncertainty is not going away, as we heard from witnesses over and over again, and even today.

Under the new NAFTA, it seems exports to the auto and auto parts sector are effectively capped, and your association seems to be okay with that. I was a little surprised to hear some of the comments. It seems that this might be not a bad idea in the short term, but long term, as we've heard from witnesses, it seems to discourage further new investment since it limits growth. Do these quotas not encourage companies to move to jurisdictions where their volume is not capped and where there's less uncertainty?

12:35 p.m.

Director, External Affairs and Internal Counsel, Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association

Gian Paolo Vescio

When looking at the side letters in the USMCA, I think obviously we would prefer to allow the market to determine where things are manufactured. Dealing in an unconventional situation as we are here, I believe the government needs to be pragmatic. We would prefer that if there are quotas or caps that the number is good enough that it still allows for growth, and that can be manageable. I believe in this situation there is room for growth, and there is room for it to be manageable.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

That's interesting. A lot of the companies we're talking to on the manufacturing side of things are saying the surtax has done more harm than good, that it's creating part of the problem in their ability to survive and move forward. Do you see that in auto parts, or do you still think we should go fist to fist even though we're getting pummelled as we do it?

12:35 p.m.

Director, External Affairs and Internal Counsel, Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association

Gian Paolo Vescio

Speaking pragmatically, obviously only so many things can be done. We would prefer that it's not a problem, and we would prefer that auto parts producers are able to freely sell, buy, create and move their product. We'd encourage the government to try to find a solution as quickly as possible so we're not—