When we talk about a proactive Canadian approach, one thing we've heard at this committee many times in the context of many studies, including what Canada's global trade position can and should be coming out of the global pandemic, is that Canada, unlike many of our allies, has had a very hands-off or laissez-faire approach to economic planning. When you talk about industrial planning, that's where you get companies and unions—people who represent workers—at the table with government to come up with a plan for what kinds of public investments might be made and also how you coordinate training a workforce at the same time. It's the planning for how you look out for the interests of various communities and make sure that value-added work is being done in Canada and that Canadians are being compensated fairly for that work when they do it.
I think somebody earlier mentioned something about picking winners, in a positive way. Often, that's used as a pejorative term. I think what's really at the heart of the matter is good industrial planning. I wonder if you could speak to the importance of that as the world economy is in transition.