Obviously Ukraine has a tremendous brain trust. Our institute is involved with the academic community, and we know that Ukraine has a very highly educated workforce with lots of skills, and that some of them are already participating in the worldwide economy. Some of those people have now left the country and are working from outside of Ukraine because of the circumstances.
In terms of its intellectual capital and investment in it by Canadians, I think that offers one area of potential growth.
Former ambassador Shevchenko is right that trade levels, even though they've improved, are still very modest considering the size of the two countries, so there is potential for growth. I think especially now, in the rebuilding process that's going to have to follow this war, there is an obvious opportunity for Canadian investment in Ukraine and for developing the relationship further.
I suppose one of the challenges is that Ukraine exports products that Canada also exports—cereal grains and agricultural products in particular—so we're competitors on one level, though Ukraine's markets are quite specific.