I think I'd like to give a bit of an example.
One is that we look at the situation of the rules for driving, for example. Most drivers are going to respect a stop sign or a stoplight because it's the right thing and they don't want to hurt people around them, but some will need the laws of the road in order to make that happen. We recognize that we can't leave everything to simply doing the right thing because we're asking for the right thing to be done.
I think the same thing applies when it comes to the mining sector abroad. Even if you believe that the vast majority of companies respect human rights, there will always be a need to hold accountable those who are not going to do so of their own volition.
I think, again, the question is not necessarily around how to bring companies and impacted people together. The question that really should be on this committee's mind is how to ensure that Canada is upholding its international human rights obligations to make sure that companies respect human rights and the environment, that the impacted people can access remedy, and that impacted people's rights are respected.
Thank you very much.