If you look at the current [Technical difficulty—Editor] there's been a shift to value-added stuff coming from Canada, which is even stuff like Canadian-processed pet food, which is very popular in Ukraine. I think helping Ukraine make more of its own resources, which Mr. Potoczny was talking about, is key.
Sometimes business cycles don't help. We had a major Canadian company partnering with Ukraine's state oil and gas company, but just at a time when natural gas prices in Europe cratered, so they ended up walking away because it didn't appear to make sense to them at the time. Right now, with prices where they are now, I think you're going to see renewed interest as soon as geopolitical risk declines.
Again, Ukraine is stereotypically known as a bread basket. It has nearly doubled its grains production over the last 20 years, and there is probably scope for another 50% to 80% increase in the next 10 years. In terms of getting part of that action in terms of things like grain storage, logistics, port handling equipment, these are things where Canadian companies need that export financing to be competitive with their international peers in getting contracts.
Those are definitely areas where I can see more being done.