If I can maybe jump for a second, cybersecurity in Ukraine is a great business, a great talent, but I think we, as Canadians, have to be a little more aggressive and co-operate with them more closely.
We at the chamber of commerce try to do that. We bring them into the trade missions for these cybersecurity conferences, and I see how Americans quickly take them away. Americans are basically taking them from under our nose. As Canadians, by being too conservative and too nice, we are losing that huge co-operation chance with Ukrainians.
Ukrainians love Canadians, they want to co-operate, but we have to be a little more aggressive.