Again, with ISDS, the ISDS allows for corporations to be able to overpower governments but gives governments no ability to do a counterclaim. For instance, if the government wants to invest in their own infrastructure or any of a number of other projects, with ISDS, there's the ability for corporations to go to a tribunal and go after claims that then can.... All too often, the corporations win those tribunal cases, and the penalties we've seen have been quite severe.
In a postwar situation, you could see Ukraine facing realistically millions or even billions of dollars in fines. That money obviously would not be available to help reconstruction.