Evidence of meeting #3 for International Trade in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rules.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Fowler  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Herman  Counsel, Cassidy Levy Kent LLP, As an Individual
Lilly  Full Professor and Simon Reisman Chair in International Economic Policy, Carleton University, As an Individual
Harvey  Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

4:10 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

Again, I am not the chief negotiator for this particular initiative. The government has named Ambassador Hillman as the chief negotiator for the portion of the conversations that are under way today. My team tries to support and facilitate her efforts. In this case, I think the appropriate answer would come from the chief negotiator for that particular initiative.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Does that mean you're not going to get back to us on that?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I will get back to you having consulted with those who are most closely engaged in the file.

Is that an appropriate answer?

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

That's perfect. Thank you.

You talked about the team Canada approach. Do you think team Canada includes this committee?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I suppose it should, yes. It's a team Canada approach.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Do you think the team Canada approach includes the members of the opposition parties as well?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

You're taking me outside of my area of expertise. My sense is that, yes, it is meant to be as broad a coalition of Canadian voices supporting and advancing the same position as possible.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Thank you. It's not a trick question. I would hope our chief negotiator does view the committee and members of the opposition as part of the team Canada approach. We heard concerns with respect to transparency and engagement in the committee, and I think that's part of what I'm trying to convey to you.

Are you aware that the Prime Minister decided yesterday to recognize the state of Palestine?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I'm aware.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Are you aware of the President of the United States' comments in respect of that decision, when he said, “That will make it very hard...to make a...Deal”? Are you aware of those comments?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I have read that those were the comments as reported.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Do you agree with the president that it will make it very hard to get a deal for Canada?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I think this is going to be a difficult negotiation, irrespective of that.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Do you think that made it more likely or less likely to get favourable terms from the United States?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I believe that the United States, in this commercial negotiation, will be guided by commercial and economic considerations.

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

You have 30 seconds.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

I understand.

Let me ask that again: Do you agree with the president's comment that Canada's recognition of the state of Palestine will make it harder to get a deal for Canada, yes or no?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I don't have an opinion on that.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

You don't have an opinion...?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

On whether the president's opinion is correct...? No, I don't think it's my place to answer that.

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Mr. Mantle.

We go to Ms. Lapointe, please, for five minutes.

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

Mr. Fowler, welcome to the committee. It's a pleasure to meet you.

You talked a bit about the free trade agreement and the fact that you posted a link on your website in 2024. You said that things have changed since 2025.

How have the recent geopolitical upheavals—the U.S., China and Brexit have been mentioned—affected your approach to trade negotiations?

4:15 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

Thank you for the question.

I think an environment has been created where the success of our trade commitments and free trade negotiations is even more important for Canada.

It's important to provide Canadian businesses with trade opportunities and market access of immediate importance. So we try to find ways to advance our negotiations more efficiently than before. Our approach has been effective for a number of years, but things were not moving very quickly.

That said, we are having discussions within the department about how to speed up the process and focus our discussions on the most important issues from a trade perspective in order to make a difference for Canadians.

That approach has changed a lot over the past few years.

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Are you discussing best practices with your partners in other countries to arrive at a good place in discussions with the United States, for example?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

We are following with great interest the discussions between the United States and other partners around the world. We have a team that immediately analyzes the announcements made following discussions between the United States and other countries.

In addition, we discuss topics of common interest with our partners around the world. Right now, trade relations with the United States are of great interest around the world.