They are, and Japan is doing more domestically as well, so the threat is from inside the house in Japan. In terms of our competitive threats in the marketplace, we had pretty consistently, from 2019 to 2023, funding of between $5 million and $8.7 million. In 2023-24, that was cut to $4,000. I think there's been an admission that was a mistake, but because of that reduction in 2023-24, we had to lay off a bunch of staff and we lost some time.
That's why Canada Wood Group is looking for $5 million at least over the next three years, which I don't think is exorbitant, because they need to scale back up.