I look forward to chatting with you about that, and getting to visit Kalesnikoff, Interfor and Mercer, which are important. It's an important hub for us in that part of B.C.
There are a couple of things. Softwood lumber duties and the section 232 tariffs are, right now, at a pretty high point, at a combined 45%. We don't want to rush into a bad deal, but we do need to move to some certainty. I'd say that the section 232 tariffs, which can be increased or whatnot at the stroke of the president's pen, continue to be quite a wild card. The softwood lumber dispute does have a process, as painful as it is. The section 232 piece is a bit more unpredictable.
I think we have a couple of issues specific to B.C. We have a lot of challenges with provincial permitting. As I travel the country, that's very unique to British Columbia. The industry is challenged across the country, but there are some unique issues in terms of legacy, fire and pine beetle impacts in B.C., as well as provincial regulation. Our hope is that liquidity supports will continue to flow to support mills and to keep them running. We've lost a few thousand jobs. I've been impressed with the resilience of the industry broadly, but as this drags out, that risk gets greater. The employee supports are critical as well—