I'm not necessarily going to go into the details you're asking me to, but clearly we all know that the average Chinese employee is not earning the same wages that we pay in Canada. That's one.
With regard to energy, we know that they are subsidizing a lot of the energy consumed in the steel sector. Steelmaking uses a lot of energy, and in China they're highly subsidizing the energy they're using.
They're also investing massively in R and D at rates or loan parameters that we cannot match either.