In 2003 and 2004, there were 15,493 conditional sentences imposed in the country. I anticipate that after Bill C-9 is passed, some offenders who have committed offences and who are no longer eligible for house arrest will receive probation while others will receive a custodial sentence. And based on that year's statistics, about one-third of conditional sentences, or 5,784 of the 15,493, will be ineligible for conditional sentence.
If Bill C-9 is narrowed by eliminating property offences, 2,634 of the 15,493 offenders who received a conditional sentence in 2003-2004 would be ineligible for a conditional sentence. So what I'm saying, Mr. Chair, is that we can narrow this, but the issue isn't violent sentences or sentences for violent crimes alone. The issue is for serious property offences. It may be all right in some members' communities that houses are broken into at a regular rate and that's considered simply a property offence, but I can assure you that the people in my community--and I dare say across Canada--don't consider that simply a property offence. In my opinion, you are violating the personal security of individuals when you break into their homes in that fashion.
I've indicated I'm open to this discussion. I don't understand the hostility of the member. I am open to looking at some of these issues. I'm willing to look at those issues. The organization--