I see we're on the same page in terms of 55,000 avoiding detention. I'd probably want to know how many of those are repeat conditional sentences. Are we actually talking about 55,000 people? I don't think so. I'm guessing, but we're talking about probably a third of that number, in terms of actual people. But I'm guessing here and I don't want to guess.
On the cost of incarceration, I think $51,000 is a fair number. You're saying it only costs $1,700 to monitor. That doesn't talk about the full cost to society. As I was told at the Vancouver Board of Trade, the average crack addict on the street steals $1,000 of product a day. That's $365,000 a year, because crack addicts don't take a day off. Their addiction doesn't allow that. They have to steal that product, that same amount, every day.
So you say $55,000 for incarcerating and $1,700 for supervising; they're still out there stealing. And that doesn't talk about the other social costs; this is direct economic cost to a business. The other figure I heard was that for every offender locked up for a year in a serious crime, 15 serious crimes are avoided. Again this gets back to how many people are actually avoiding detention, and deterrence—all those kinds of issues. We don't have the time to talk about that, but you raise very good points that maybe you can discuss as a committee.
Does the department have statistics in terms of success? I think we'll take a look to see what we can provide you on that. Now, on your last point, about conditional sentences being applicable to—