I would like to add to that, sir.
With respect to your example of the street gangs, starting off with the 14-year-olds and on up the chain, I can tell you that in Alberta the offenders at the lowest end, the ones who have just been dragged into it and are still young and don't know what they've gotten themselves into, if they're involved in a minor way, might be eligible for a conditional sentence order. But our court of appeal has made it crystal clear that anybody involved with drug trafficking for commercial purpose is going to jail. There is no availability in Alberta for a CSO for those kinds of offences because of the appeal pronouncements our court has made, and that applies, I believe, to the Northwest Territories. I'm sure the same is true in Saskatchewan.
When you get those young kids who don't know what they're doing and get dragged into it because of a friend and are in the car one night selling to somebody and get caught, those are the guys who you can still reclaim. Those are the ones you can help. Sometimes, if the right conditions are there, they can get a CSO, but otherwise, at least in Alberta and in the west, they're not getting CSOs for those kinds of offences. They're treated very seriously. Gangs are a problem in Edmonton and in Calgary. The community is concerned and sentences are not light for persons involved in gang activity, I can tell you that.