I have a lot of victims as clients. These are the families of my clients, the wives and the children. So when their husband or their father goes to jail and they are cast onto welfare or cast out of their house, they are victims too. We don't hear much about them, but I deal with them day in and day out. Their children are also ostracized at school because of media reports, their families are thrown into turmoil, not because they've done anything wrong but because somebody in their family, with whom they really had no involvement with in the sense of the wrongdoing, has done something wrong. But in law there is a test. It's called the reasonable person test, and we use that. It means that a person fully informed of all the circumstances--
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