Just to reiterate the point that Richard and I have tried to make a number of times, the statistical information is not available. As a federal government you may be able to talk to your provincial counterparts and get it, but we question whether it's really available there either. We need to do some joint research and we need to look at some of the best practices out there. There are some great programs. One of them is sitting right beside us, but there are other programs in the country looking at the question of restorative justice. We need to inform ourselves.
I don't know, Mr. Ménard; your question is so huge, and I don't think there's any easy answer to it. But I think there would be some satisfaction for all of us in using the best information available to make the best decision, and not just a gut reaction. As a parliamentary committee, you have at your disposal some of the tools. Bring them to bear on this; let's work together.