Just to state that when we look at an offence in and of itself, no one supports the commission of offences. And when lawyers make representations to judges, they're not making representations on the appropriateness of having committed an offence. The issue is how to deal with the person.
Before sentences in the community were put into effect for the types of offences you mentioned, Mr. Brown, judges sometimes, when it was appropriate, ordered suspended sentences. Today, those same judges have another tool. In the past they could control that person for three years on probation. Today, they can control that person for five years, two years sentence in the community and three years probation to follow that. So it's a better tool.
We have more today than we had in the past for those very same offences in those cases where jail was wrong. No offence in and of itself can ever.... When we look at the offence, we can all look at it and say it's absolutely abominable and no one should find it's appropriate. That's not the issue.
What we're dealing with is someone who's done it and we can't fix that. What we have to do now is make sure they don't do it again, make sure society is protected, and make this person a useful, productive individual. What's the best way to do that?