I'll be very quick, Mr. Chairman.
With respect to Mr. Batters, the commission also, interestingly, rejected a joint submission that was made by both government and judges for an annual $2,000-a-year increase, all with a view to try to get it right.
Again, the Canadian Bar Association is not here to defend x dollars or y dollars. We're here to defend a process, because that's fundamentally what ultimately drives the protection of the independence of the judiciary.