Thank you.
The minister, when he was here a few minutes ago, carried on about this aboriginal report, asking why Liberals didn't do anything about it. He rather embarrassed himself, showing how little he knows. The report is not even out yet. It's just a working paper, and it hasn't come to Parliament.
When you make decisions to cut things like these two valuable programs, you should do it on evidence or evaluation or recommendations from the department. Some people are arguing this government is just doing it on ideological grounds instead of those. I want to follow that up.
Melina Buckley, you gave a tremendous speech. I don't know how anyone could say more or cut the program after that. But the minister suggested they were cutting things that were not providing value for money. I asked the department and the minister if he ever got evidence from the department, and you probably saw the response: there was no evidence or advice from the department that there was not value for money.
Where do you think he got advice that it was inefficient or ineffective? It didn't seem to be from the bar association.