First, we don't fund lawyers; let's just put that on the table. We fund individual and group applicants. They retain lawyers. Those lawyers, as I have spoken to and as Ms. Buckley has spoken to, have a portion of their fee paid. It works like that. How is this funding done? It's done by a committee of experts who are themselves appointed by advisory panels to the program, at arm's length from the likes of me on the board of directors.
So it's a funding of individual applicants and group applicants on test cases of national importance that test questions of substantive equality on both the section 15 cases and the official language minority cases.
The vehicle for all of this, of course, is counsel, so the money ends up in lawyers' hands. But it's not funding lawyers, and the panels do not, when they make these decisions, always know who the lawyer is. They're funding applicant groups and applicant individuals.