Thank you, Mr. Chair.
My thanks to the witnesses for coming.
I want to echo Mr. Ménard's comments, Ms. Pate. The paper you presented was well researched and had some excellent points in it.
The difficulty we have when we do the analysis of this is that the material we tend to get from police forces—and I understand the problems you have in gathering it—oftentimes tends to be anecdotal or not of a rigour that would satisfy social science research. In that regard, in terms of the figures that you gave us on the members of the gangs—the 7,000 figure and 400 gangs—you've said there is no actual definition of what a gang is that's universally applied across the country. With the definition of organized crime and the way we've done the analysis of organized crime in the Criminal Code, would all of the gangs you referred to be caught by the organized crime sections of the code?