That would be great. Thank you.
Again, I would turn you back to the studies south of the border with respect to the impact of incapacitation over the long term, rather than deterrence. How does that relate to what happens here in Canada? There's a whole pile of legislative pillars that need to fall into place before we seek the equivalent precipitous drops. We're not there in this country. This is a wonderful step, the mandatory minimum sentencing bill, but we need to do this. We need to do a wholesale review and altering of our parole laws and our statutory release laws, and we need to look at the regimen around our long-term offenders, our dangerous offenders, our high-risk offenders out on section 810 orders. There's a whole pile of things. But if we do all those, including the mandatory minimum sentence on the guns, what we will see is that the violent crime rate will drop.
In addition, I am familiar with the case that Minister Bryant commented on, but there are dozens and dozens of those cases in the naked city. Did I bring a laundry list of those cases? No. But the kinds of people who have committed violent crimes who are out on conditional sentences, the kinds of situations where the Crown quite appropriately, in my estimation, asked for 10 years, and the person gets two years, time served, and out the door.... I think there's a lot of that going on, and it happens on a daily basis across this country.
It's certainly why, to build on something Mr. Thompson said, two friends of mine.... One was the subject of a home invasion. And no, he didn't have a grow op; he was just an average guy staying at home who had people break into his house with guns and threaten to kill him because they wanted to do a home invasion. He happened to be out of the country. Another friend of mine, who I'm trying to convince to testify, was shot by a crack dealer. And no, he wasn't buying crack. I'm hoping to convince both of these gentlemen to come to Ottawa to testify. If I'm able to get them to come, I trust that the committee will want to the hear the voices of those victims, because I've certainly heard them over 30 years as a police officer, six of which I spent at the Office for Victims of Crime. In fact, I provided advice to a series of attorneys general, and Mr. Bryant was one of those.
I think that voice is incredibly important. I think we need to return the proportionality. I don't think, using the evidence-based approach that I've taken in terms of incapacitation--I've actually mentioned studies and provided charts and talked about these issues from that perspective--that that's incompatible with a vigorous charter and the rights of an accused to a fair and vigorous defence. I would never suggest that we need to give up those rights on behalf of the accused in exchange for greater public safety and enhanced justice.