Could I just make a quick comment related to that as well in support of what was said?
We still talk about our system as being bifurcated in the sense of the separation between the police and the lawyers, and the lawyers and the judges. Every time there's a wrongly accused case, it's emphasized again how important it is that those different sections of the criminal justice system operate separately.
I spoke at two judge training sessions within the last number of weeks, one in the Toronto region and one in the Kingston region, and the judges are absolutely beside themselves. What has happened as the result of new legislation and the mega-trials thing is what strikes me as an amazing number of pretrial meetings that now have to take place between the judges and the crown to sort out what kinds of charges, what kind of this, what kind of that, and there's a much greater involvement of the police at those meetings.
Those meetings are in fact informal, invisible. Yet we still talk about our system as having sort of distinct.... The comment was made that there's not a win or lose, you're just presenting the information. Well, the kinds of cases that are now coming up and the legislation that's having to be dealt with really have, I would argue, those three different sections basically all working in cahoots--to use a negative term, which I don't really mean.