Mr. Lee, can I only say that we had a seven-year minimum sentence for importing a long time ago? We realized it didn't work. In the 1950s there was a minimum sentence for car theft. That was the major charge that was going to upset the socio-economic balance in our country; take an auto without consent kind of found its way through...it was still theft but there wasn't any minimum.
But quite frankly, something has happened in previous consultations, and I can tell you without mentioning specifics that there was not a minister of justice who said in a meeting, “I'm sorry, I'm hearing one story from the crowns, I'm hearing one story from the defence, I'm hearing another story from this person. What I'm going to do is put you all in the same room and then I can hear it all.”
Take away the anecdotal stories, so when you get crown counsel in a room, not on the record, and when they are as concerned as all of us about how the criminal justice system works, because they do it every day, you will get answers that you would not get on the record. That's the type of consultation that needs to take place.