Okay. That's good.
As parliamentarians, we have to make our decisions based on fact and science and evidence, and that's mostly what we talked about today. I'm glad you all quoted the studies that studied all the other studies, so that it's not just one individual, it's a comprehensive review. The witnesses all to date have suggested that a comprehensive review shows that these don't work, shows that there's no deterrent value, and the evidence is quite clear.
But we had a witness--just so we leave no stone unturned--in the last meeting, Professor Lee, from Carleton, and he quoted a Dr. Steven Levitt from Chicago. One of the quotes--I won't quote them all--said, “The evidence linking increased punishment to lower crime rates is very strong.”
That's exactly opposite of what you said, Mr. Stewart.