Thank you.
I would just like to say, so that you don't get the wrong impression about the police, that the Toronto policeman was very comprehensive. He talked about the root causes of crime on the front page of the Toronto paper, and all sorts of other things that need to be done.
And I'd be happy to get Mr. Kramp's evidence, but just for the record, we've not had any evidence to date to this committee except Levitt, which you have refuted, that suggests that they work at all; that there's any deterrent—any scientific evidence, which is what we have to base....
So the position the witnesses and the opposition are taking is much more protection for the victims, much more protection for society, based on the evidence to date, and I'll look forward to your refutation of Levitt. What we all want is safety for society.
Just to conclude, Mr. Stewart, you said that recidivism is not decreased by mandatory minimums; in fact, it could be increased. Therefore—all these people are going to get out—there is going to be a less safe society for victims, and for the rest of Canadians. That's a conclusion from all these hearings, and I just want to get your opinion on it.