In terms of that, I know what our position has remained before and when those amendments came in. Obviously, with data coming forward, I'm sure it's going to assist you. But aside from that point, it still doesn't take away really from one of the main points we're making, which is about, as I think you've heard many times before, judicial discretion. It does not remove the ability of the judge to impose a lengthy sentence.
So if the statistics showed.... I don't know whether you will ever find statistics in terms of showing the correlation between the mandatory minimums and the deterrent effect, but if it were to remain that there were no mandatory minimums and the Crown came forward and showed the statistics that gun violence is on the rise, there is nothing preventing a judge from imposing a harsh penalty. And if that goes across the board, then those sentences in and of themselves, rather than the policy imposed.... And I'm not necessarily agreeing; we don't agree about the deterrent effect, but if it's the position that lengthier sentences will deter, judges can impose those lengthy sentences.